E46 v e9x m3

[gr8one88]

Why is the e46 lightly modded just so so so sooooo much more fun to drive?!?!? It is so much more pure and raw of an enthusiast experience! When they are taken care of properly they ar more of a head turner than the e9x too. I know this is a forum of users obsessed with the buttons on the e9x and I love the e9x for it's motor and advanced technology. But for fun it just isn't close to a good e46 m3. Does anyone else feel this way? This goes for the e39 as well. However the new f10 m5 is pretty cool... M3 is just supposed to be the less luxurious fun car and the m5 is supposed to be the badassss executive saloon with cool technology but can beat anything out there. I'd like to see the line between the m3 and m5 less blured aka m3 lighter less buttons more of a pure everyday driver and racer. The m5 is good where it's at the m3 needs to distance itself from the m5.









lol to #4

[gthal]

Originally Posted by gr8one88

Why is the e46 lightly modded just so so so sooooo much more fun to drive?!?!? It is so much more pure and raw of an enthusiast experience! When they are taken care of properly they ar more of a head turner than the e9x too. I know this is a forum of users obsessed with the buttons on the e9x and I love the e9x for it's motor and advanced technology. But for fun it just isn't close to a good e46 m3. Does anyone else feel this way? This goes for the e39 as well. However the new f10 m5 is pretty cool... M3 is just supposed to be the less luxurious fun car and the m5 is supposed to be the badassss executive saloon with cool technology but can beat anything out there. I'd like to see the line between the m3 and m5 less blured aka m3 lighter less buttons more of a pure everyday driver and racer. The m5 is good where it's at the m3 needs to distance itself from the m5.

Fun to drive... subjective... E46 is more raw but I wouldn't say more fun. To me, enjoying the greatly improved performance in all respects is more fun than simply driving a "raw" car but, again, that is subjective and only my opinion. Now an E46 CSL is a special car.

Head turner... subjective... E46 is very nice looking but looks dated and no where near as nice as the E92.

Obsessed with buttons... didn't know we were all like that. Thanks for enlightening us on that point.

[Rshane]

[sameh]

After reading your post I couldn't even look at my 2011 E92. I drove it and didn't hear the S65 nor the exhaust at 8400RPM. I drifted a 90• corner at high speed but nothing seems to satisfy my "button obsessed" mind. I flicked through my 7 gears with that DCT thing, first 3 gears WOT and even that continuous pulling didn't do it for me. I'm selling it for a "lightly modded" E46. Thanks

[M3ryder55]

In my family, there is 6 boys. 4 of us have M3's currently. #5 is on the way

2 98 E36's 5 speeds. Not mine, but those things were epic at the time. I was just a youngin back than, and to me that thing was like a super car with the vaders. The obsession started.

4 E46 M3's, 3 6mts 02, 02, 05, and now currently a comp package 05 smg belongs to one of the other brothers. Special special car. One of my all time favorites. Classic design, has aged so well and and just a sexy car. That thing was an absolute blast and I feel like I've been around that car forever. never owned one, but know all about it and and what its about. Since December 2001 till now.

3 E9x M3's currently belong to me and 2 of the others. You have to realize BMW is not stupid. They know what their doing. I'm just in denial that this is the last "real M3" but I'm sure the next gen will out do it. However I am content with that. I have a E90 DCT with all the nuts and bolts... and I really don't think it could get better in terms of how it performs in pretty much stock form now. The DCT is on another level. Even my brothers with 13 plus years of driving M3's with manuals say this tranny is special. The sound of the V8 is epic, absolutely epic. The ONE BIG COMPLAINT i have with this current gen M3 is the layout of the inside. The cupholders are an Epic fail, I feel like the e46 layout was much much better, and the seats of the E46 are much more "fatty" friendly.
oki
So in a nut shell I see where your coming from, but the E9x is far superior in every aspect. Not saying the E46 is a slouch because it certainly is not, their just two very different cars, with the same heritage. And the next generation will more than likely blow all of these previous ones out of the water. Thats just how the cookie cumbles

[radiantm3]

OP comes off a bit trollish. You can say the same thing about each generation M3. The E46 is less raw and less of an enthusiast car than the E36. And the E36 is less raw than the E30. But each successor was arguably better than the previous. And lets not start comparing modded vs stock again.

[klammer]

My Model T was more "involving" than my E9x and way more simplistic... Hate all these faster/safer cars

[studntloan]

Originally Posted by klammer

My Model T was more "involving" than my E9x and way more simplistic... Hate all these faster/safer cars

got one in my garage right now... what other car comes with giant woooden spoke wheels, a rag top, all steel body, thats some raw shit, so raw it only came in one color

[Denk]

coming from an e46, my e92 is so much more car. I don't miss the barbaric SMG that's for sure. My e92 is so much more refined/improved upon in all aspects which definitely puts a bigger grin on my face.
e46=, e92=

[sameh]

Originally Posted by Wall$treet

Posters like this really have no purpose except to antagonize. I completely agree with calling people out or antagonizing if it is called for or related but this guy is an e46 owner who randomly posts a post on the e90 board about how he likes the e46 better? Just is the wrong place to post it. That belongs on the e46 forum.

Not that I care and that is your opinion but by posting it here it shows you have more of a "lets be a troll and screw with them" mindset than realy wanting any nice debate about the topic.

I see it the same, that's why I posted a sarcastic comment before. But come to think if it. I doubt that any E9x owner (even the trolls) would go to an E46 forum and post saying, how E9x is much better than their E46. Wonder why the E46/E9x trolling is a one way street?? Envy?

[FVM3]

fun is subjective

[lve2xlr8]

Yes the e39 with it's recirculating ball steering was sooo fun

[Radiation Joe]

Go ahead and call anyone who isn't an e9x M3 driver a troll. That's a fanboy's prerogative. But the OP speaks the truth.

You all just keep on reading magazines and quoting specs. I owned an e46 M3 and am on my second e90 M3. No doubt the e9x M3s are better cars than the e46 M3s. However, they are bland and nowhere near as engaging as the e46 was. After both are obsolete (not too far into the future, BTW) it will be the damned fun e46 that collectors will want not the generic e9x.

[SUB-ZERO]

Originally Posted by Radiation Joe

Go ahead and call anyone who isn't an e9x M3 driver a troll. That's a fanboy's prerogative. But the OP speaks the truth.

You all just keep on reading magazines and quoting specs. I owned an e46 M3 and am on my second e90 M3. No doubt the e9x M3s are better cars than the e46 M3s. However, they are bland and nowhere near as engaging as the e46 was. After both are obsolete (not too far into the future, BTW) it will be the damned fun e46 that collectors will want not the generic e9x.

A Ferari 355 is much more raw than a 360 and a 360 is much more raw than a 458. The 458 is probably one of Ferraris best cars ever. Get the point?

It's called progressive refinement. More raw does not equal better. I can see how one can feel nostalgic about an e46 m3, but it is no comparison to an e9x series. An e92 is many times over more refined, uses better materials inside and out, is faster in a straight line, on a track, brakes better, is a better DD, looks more aggressive yet sophisticated, is more reliable and by BMWs own admission, the best m3 they have ever developed. The engine alone is a crown jewel of BMW engineering.

-SZ

[radiantm3]

Originally Posted by Radiation Joe

Go ahead and call anyone who isn't an e9x M3 driver a troll. That's a fanboy's prerogative. But the OP speaks the truth.

You all just keep on reading magazines and quoting specs. I owned an e46 M3 and am on my second e90 M3. No doubt the e9x M3s are better cars than the e46 M3s. However, they are bland and nowhere near as engaging as the e46 was. After both are obsolete (not too far into the future, BTW) it will be the damned fun e46 that collectors will want not the generic e9x.

I'm sorry, but regardless of whether he speaks the truth or not, it's called trolling. If I go to a gay forum and make a post about how heterosexual sex is so much more raw and a better experience, I'm trolling no matter how right I am.

[rjd598]

Troooooooooooooooooooooool

[indohan]

OP was just trying a start discussion on whether E46 is more fun to drive than E9x.
I think he was just stating his opinion regarding the cars.
We never know if he drove both cars or not.
Neither we know that each of you who said E9x is better have driven E46 or not.
He even mentioned E39, which is true. E39 is the game changer in my book.
Chillax, fellas.

If you call this "troll", how about those little girls who create douche bag threads?
If you disagree with this thread, maybe you guys should think whether the topic you're about to discuss should belong to Twitter or this forum.
O yeah, rants belong to Twitter, not forum.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by Radiation Joe

Go ahead and call anyone who isn't an e9x M3 driver a troll. That's a fanboy's prerogative. But the OP speaks the truth.

You all just keep on reading magazines and quoting specs. I owned an e46 M3 and am on my second e90 M3. No doubt the e9x M3s are better cars than the e46 M3s. However, they are bland and nowhere near as engaging as the e46 was. After both are obsolete (not too far into the future, BTW) it will be the damned fun e46 that collectors will want not the generic e9x.

I don't think the responses in this thread are based on people being fanboys (not to say that doesn't happen a lot). It is because the OP writes in a manner to get people worked up...

Originally Posted by gr8one88

Why is the e46 lightly modded just so so so sooooo much more fun to drive?!?!? It is so much more pure and raw of an enthusiast experience! When they are taken care of properly they ar more of a head turner than the e9x too. I know this is a forum of users obsessed with the buttons on the e9x and I love the e9x for it's motor and advanced technology.

If you are trying to have a meaningful discussion on the two cars (for the millionth time) then you don't write like the OP does above because all it does is piss people off and come off as insulting. You only write this way to antagonize people or you are simply just clueless on how to engage people in a useful discussion. Let's see, start a comparison thread by throwing out a blanket insult to one of the cars you want to discuss... that is troll work only. I would bet he could have come here and posted a similar thread that was worded in a way that would have had a meaningful discussion and not the responses he received. He comes across like a troll and people call it for how they see it.

If I went on a Ferrari forum and said "Hi guys... I know that all of you buy Ferrari's because money is no object and you like the image but I think the M3 is a better value because..." I think I would get a similar response.

[gr8one88]

I too fell in love threw an e36 and I was young at the time as well. My e46 was in the shop for a few weeks and just getting it back was like falling in love all over. The v8 and the dct of the e9x is no doubt the best attribute of the model. I did actually notice how well the e46 seemed to be layer out the other day funny you said that! The only point I was trying to get across really was that the m3 and m5 should distance themselves from each other a little. I can appreciate every M model for it's strong points. Constructive criticism was my intention. Obviousy the e9x is epic in it's own. But I feel the e46 does it in a more exciting way for me

Originally Posted by M3ryder55

In my family, there is 6 boys. 4 of us have M3's currently. #5 is on the way

2 98 E36's 5 speeds. Not mine, but those things were epic at the time. I was just a youngin back than, and to me that thing was like a super car with the vaders. The obsession started.

4 E46 M3's, 3 6mts 02, 02, 05, and now currently a comp package 05 smg belongs to one of the other brothers. Special special car. One of my all time favorites. Classic design, has aged so well and and just a sexy car. That thing was an absolute blast and I feel like I've been around that car forever. never owned one, but know all about it and and what its about. Since December 2001 till now.

3 E9x M3's currently belong to me and 2 of the others. You have to realize BMW is not stupid. They know what their doing. I'm just in denial that this is the last "real M3" but I'm sure the next gen will out do it. However I am content with that. I have a E90 DCT with all the nuts and bolts... and I really don't think it could get better in terms of how it performs in pretty much stock form now. The DCT is on another level. Even my brothers with 13 plus years of driving M3's with manuals say this tranny is special. The sound of the V8 is epic, absolutely epic. The ONE BIG COMPLAINT i have with this current gen M3 is the layout of the inside. The cupholders are an Epic fail, I feel like the e46 layout was much much better, and the seats of the E46 are much more "fatty" friendly.
oki
So in a nut shell I see where your coming from, but the E9x is far superior in every aspect. Not saying the E46 is a slouch because it certainly is not, their just two very different cars, with the same heritage. And the next generation will more than likely blow all of these previous ones out of the water. Thats just how the cookie cumbles

[gr8one88]

Keyword refined? Not always fun Mercedes and Lexus are refined

Originally Posted by Denk

coming from an e46, my e92 is so much more car. I don't miss the barbaric SMG that's for sure. My e92 is so much more refined/improved upon in all aspects which definitely puts a bigger grin on my face.
e46=, e92=

[gr8one88]

Originally Posted by Radiation Joe

Go ahead and call anyone who isn't an e9x M3 driver a troll. That's a fanboy's prerogative. But the OP speaks the truth.

You all just keep on reading magazines and quoting specs. I owned an e46 M3 and am on my second e90 M3. No doubt the e9x M3s are better cars than the e46 M3s. However, they are bland and nowhere near as engaging as the e46 was. After both are obsolete (not too far into the future, BTW) it will be the damned fun e46 that collectors will want not the generic e9x.

This is what I was getting act not trying to provoke lol. I hear the same thing from many e9x drivers. Fun equals more engaging for most....not 3 10ths of a second quicker at the cost of 300 lbs. The most fun time you have in your car is whe. You are on a drive alone on a cool morning/night....when you take 1 or 2 friends for a ride you can notice how it is weighed down and slower....this is the same effect with the extra weight of an e9x when I drive them it just isnt as raw

[gr8one88]

Did I say better.....nope I said more fun yup. You act like the e9x is significantly faster but it's not. Dct is fast the s65 is awesome end of story
P.s. Again with the refinement.....






QUOTE=SUB-ZERO;9990686]A Ferari 355 is much more raw than a 360 and a 360 is much more raw than a 458. The 458 is probably one of Ferraris best cars ever. Get the point?

It's called progressive refinement. More raw does not equal better. I can see how one can feel nostalgic about an e46 m3, but it is no comparison to an e9x series. An e92 is many times over more refined, uses better materials inside and out, is faster in a straight line, on a track, brakes better, is a better DD, looks more aggressive yet sophisticated, is more reliable and by BMWs own admission, the best m3 they have ever developed. The engine alone is a crown jewel of BMW engineering.

-SZ[/quote]