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      06-28-2011, 02:19 PM   #45
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+1 seriously, the more legitimate reviews we have of this quality the better the quality of this site.
His review was thoughtful and insightful. Unlike the bullsit we've seen in other reviews like "uhhh, needs more torque".

we need to encourage more posts like this.
Thanks man. I just wanted everyone who didn't get a chance to test drive a $110k 911s for whatever reason to have another comparison review to read.
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      06-28-2011, 02:20 PM   #46
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110K for a Carrera S is robbery,You can buy one of these for 70-80K right now and blow the doors off of both cars in question.

This was mine a few years back and sticker was 118K brand new..

For novice p-car guys like me, can you tell us what "this" is? I'm guessing 2007 GT3-RS?
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      06-28-2011, 02:23 PM   #47
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Thats a 997.1 GT3. 8400 rpm redline, 3.6 liter with 415 hp.

And yes, it will absolutely obliterate any car in question in this thread.
Looks sick. Might be my next car if F32 M3 disappoints...
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      06-28-2011, 02:23 PM   #48
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2007 First gen 997.1 GT3.
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Carrera S is in a different league performance and handling wise vs the M3.
Handling is one aspect of performance, by the way. I don't know about absolute numbers (they should be close), but no way in hell I prefer the C2S over the M3 handlingwise, even if the Porsche posts better numbers (doubt they're better. Maybe just a hair better). It feels like crap IMO, even though the electronic nannies seem to make the car defy physics.

The only performance aspect where it should clearly have an advantage is standing start acceleration, since it has wider rear tires and A LOT more weight on the rear wheels. I'd imagine roll-on acceleration tests should still benefit the Porsche, but not by much.

As far as the trannies, both use a DCT, so the main differences should be in programming. Seems like the OP prefers fully automatic mode, and that should be achievable in one of the 'D' modes on the DCT, no? If Porsche doesn't have the ability to hold gears, not downshift on WOT, and not upshift when hitting the rev limiter, like the DCT does in 'M' mode, it's crap IMO. Might as well get a wet-clutch planetary automatic like Mercs for better reliability. Even a Ford Fiesta has a DCT nowadays, but doesn't have any way to manually shift it. Oh, and if I was to buy a DCT (sacrilege ), at least I'd like it to have the paddles to operate the 'right way', like on Ferraris. And it does. Porsche, doesn't. Anyway, glad you liked your M3 better, even though it costs a ton less. Only Porsche I'd buy is the Cayman S, but it's ugly as hell on the rear, but that one drives nicer than the M3 IMO. Good day gang.
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      06-28-2011, 02:25 PM   #50
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110K for a Carrera S is robbery,You can buy one of these for 70-80K right now and blow the doors off of both cars in question.

This was mine a few years back and sticker was 118K brand new..

Yeah....my thoughts exactly. For $70k-$85k, you can get a 2007-2008 GT3. I saw a 2008 with ceramics and only 3k miles for $85k the other day. I'd take this over a Carrera any day. However, I would still need my m3 if I were to get a GT3.
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      06-28-2011, 02:31 PM   #51
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im going to say it despite the hate im going to get the 911 is overrated
i ownes a 997 carrera s for 6 months
it was decent to drive but my car had alternator problems that the dealer refused to fix, while driving in the night with lights my battery died, it wasnt safe
and in my mind the m3 is faster, more practical, and better looking, and gives more pleasure
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      06-28-2011, 02:37 PM   #52
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Taking price into account and practicality as a DD the M3 would be my pick and that is exactly what I have done coming from a 6MT 997 C2S. If I was to go back to Porsche it would have to be a weekend car and would def think about a 997.2 GT3.
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      06-28-2011, 02:46 PM   #53
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bang for buck and ease of use daily and on track M3 over C2S hands down. you have to go to GT3 to get anything from porsche worth paying the extra $$$ for that M3 can give with just a few tweaks. i think right now, best bang for buck in porsche terms is 997.1 GT3 RS. rarer than GT3, no sunroof, and nice wide a$$. They are in the sub 90K range if you shop.
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I would take an m3 over any frog anyday.
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      06-28-2011, 02:48 PM   #55
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It makes a huge difference if PDK car has sport chrono. Sport and sport+ modes hold shifts longer and rev match downshifts. Like a completely different car than one without it.
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dude you should just get an automatic if you are complaining about the fact you have to downshift or upshift!
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      06-28-2011, 02:56 PM   #57
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430 is not bad, only about 5K for major service.

355 is 8K for major service.

For reference, GT2 major service is 2400 bucks.
One of the most expensive car to maintain is merc SL
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Dont agree with you at all. 911 was my first sports car, and I learned to drive it properly. I find the advantages and the feel much better than the M3. The cayman S obviously is better feel if you arent used to the rear/rear 911.
PDK does hold gears in Sport Plus...so you are wrong on that one. Theres a lot you can do with PDK that people dont know about. Its certainly better in the times ive driven both PDK and DCT. Again, you can get 'proper' paddles with PDK.
Heres a roll on race between an M3 DCT that has an exhaust and tune vs a STOCK 997S with PDK. Can you tell me which car gets destroyed? Oh yea, and the M3 even starts slightly ahead. Slight advantage huh? LOL. Get real man...its significantly faster.

All m3 members admit that their cars are not fast, its not designed for drag race. If OP is a drag guy, go for GTR, smoke whatever you want
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Yeah....my thoughts exactly. For $70k-$85k, you can get a 2007-2008 GT3. I saw a 2008 with ceramics and only 3k miles for $85k the other day. I'd take this over a Carrera any day. However, I would still need my m3 if I were to get a GT3.
Well that's the plan,pay off the M3 use it as a DD and buy a second hand GT3 with less than 15K miles in a few years for ~65K
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110K for a Carrera S is robbery,You can buy one of these for 70-80K right now and blow the doors off of both cars in question.

This was mine a few years back and sticker was 118K brand new..

You go crazy on the options list on a new 997.2S and you can easily hit $110k. You are quoting a used car price..which I agree, if I was ever to buy another PCar again I would buy used. I've never seen a car that takes such a massive depreciation hit as the 997 did.

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Well written perspective. I'd take the M3 over any normal 911 as well.
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I would take an m3 over any frog anyday.
Really? Any Porsche?
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You go crazy on the options list on a new 997.2S and you can easily hit $110k. You are quoting a used car price..which I agree, if I was ever to buy another PCar again I would buy used. I've never seen a car that takes such a massive depreciation hit as the 997 did.

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Well considering when the 997 was released,how the stock market crashed and the dollar took a hit,it's not too surprising really.Compared to the CS the GT3 was able to hold its value fairly well because of the limited production numbers and shear performance advantage.

I was able to buy the car early '07,at sticker,drive it for 15K miles and sell it for 110K.Needless to say,I did not complain
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Dont agree with you at all. 911 was my first sports car, and I learned to drive it properly.
I can see why . You can also learn to drive 'properly' a turbo Civic that'd blow both cars out of the water, but that doesn't mean it'd feel right. Remember it's not how fast you go, but how you go fast . I wouldn't buy ANY 911 just because the way it handles, but that's just me. As somebody said, it's overrated, and simply not worth what they cost, but that's my opinion. And if the M3s interior is crappy, the Porsche's is downright rental material. The upcoming one will be much better, resembling the Panamera and new Cayenne, but the current layout (even with full leather), is just crap. But also old as hell, so understandable. The M3 is nothing to write home about, as I said, but much better than any 911. The 911 is just a status car, with the possible exception of the GT3, which I haven't driven yet (but it's still rear engined), so can't comment on that one.

As far as the trannies, I clearly said I'm not familiar with them since I'd never buy an automatic sports car, but glad it also has a manual mode. I knew better paddles were available, but don't know if they change gears like Ferraris and M3s. I'd be nice if they do. But I honestly don't care . Since I don't want a pissing contest with a fanboy, signing off this thread .
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now now you two... no need to fight about P cars being great or not great...
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You go crazy on the options list on a new 997.2S and you can easily hit $110k. You are quoting a used car price..which I agree, if I was ever to buy another PCar again I would buy used. I've never seen a car that takes such a massive depreciation hit as the 997 did.

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P sales always claim that their cars hold good value
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