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      06-27-2011, 03:41 PM   #23
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      06-27-2011, 04:25 PM   #24
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Our Direct Flash programming will be available on the E9X M3 very soon for those looking for a DIY flash option.
Any idea how much power gain can we expect from your tune. I was ready for another tune but may wait for yours if it will be avbailable soon.
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      06-27-2011, 04:33 PM   #25
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Any idea how much power gain can we expect from your tune. I was ready for another tune but may wait for yours if it will be avbailable soon.
depends on other supporting mods you have, if full exhaust expect at least 15hp gain (conservatively)
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      06-27-2011, 04:40 PM   #26
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If you want your engine to be covered by the warranty, leave it stock until it runs out . ECU (DME) flashes are irreversible, and will always be detected. And no, you'd NEVER win a lawsuit in court against BMW for tampering with the DME, so just understand the risk . Good luck.
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      06-27-2011, 05:43 PM   #27
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If you want your engine to be covered by the warranty, leave it stock until it runs out . ECU (DME) flashes are irreversible, and will always be detected. And no, you'd NEVER win a lawsuit in court against BMW for tampering with the DME, so just understand the risk . Good luck.
I wrote over my Evolve tune with a stock tune. Dealer couldn't tell. That's the beauty of the Evolve-R!
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      06-27-2011, 06:53 PM   #28
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Any idea how much power gain can we expect from your tune. I was ready for another tune but may wait for yours if it will be avbailable soon.
Our tune for the E9X M3 has been available for awhile. Typical gains on a stock car are around 15 whp.

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      06-27-2011, 07:06 PM   #29
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If you want your engine to be covered by the warranty, leave it stock until it runs out . ECU (DME) flashes are irreversible, and will always be detected. And no, you'd NEVER win a lawsuit in court against BMW for tampering with the DME, so just understand the risk . Good luck.
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I wrote over my Evolve tune with a stock tune. Dealer couldn't tell. That's the beauty of the Evolve-R!
exactly.. with the evolve tune you have the cable and the entire stock file .. and you can write it back to the DME whenever you want to take it in to the dealer for some serious work ..
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      06-27-2011, 08:05 PM   #30
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I've got the ESS tune with the akra and love the setup. Driveability is greatly improved from stopsign to stopsign in the city, or open lapping for 30 minutes in 90 degree heat. I'm happy
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I had the OE Tune on my e92 and loved every second of it, customer service was top notch. Will continue using them for all my future cars also.
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ESS Tune here as well for the last 10k miles! 0 complaints...nice power bump too! Great customer service! Finally getting my challenge xpipe installed to complete my list of NA mods.
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      06-27-2011, 11:26 PM   #33
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      06-28-2011, 07:35 AM   #34
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Did all the NA bolt ons and my last mod was the Ess tune,gained 26 WHP Dyno proven too.
car was very quich for an NA car,smooth and idle a lot better than stock from start up to a complete stop @ a stop sign.
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exactly.. with the evolve tune you have the cable and the entire stock file .. and you can write it back to the DME whenever you want to take it in to the dealer for some serious work ..
BTW,the dealer cant find the aftermarket tune unless the factory rep is there since hes got his laptop with a special software to do things that the dealer isnot capable of doing .Also when the code is found in the ECU ,it has to get sent to Germany for verification first before voiding ur warranty.
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      06-28-2011, 07:43 AM   #36
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YESSSS!!! available for DCT? as well?
Be more specific plz !!
You can get a tune for your car from ESS,also you can get a tune for your DCT tranny from ESS..................which one are you asking about?

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      06-28-2011, 05:55 PM   #38
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So can i state:

Evolve R= Reliable! (more practical)
OE= Aggrissive! (most gains)
Ess= conservative? (more to safe tune)

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So can i state:

Evolve R= Reliable! (more practical)
OE= Aggrissive! (most gains)
Ess= conservative? (more to safe tune)

Just like to add that our changes are more geared towards the optimal but safe side rather than pushing and forcing ignition timing. Rather we use a blend of minimal ignition changes combined with changing the valve opening and closing event (Cam timing) and changes to the torque calculations so everything is balanced.

A little more finesse than brute force

Oh, and the evolve-R just makes everyone's life easy at a reasonable cost.
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Just like to add that our changes are more geared towards the optimal but safe side rather than pushing and forcing ignition timing. Rather we use a blend of minimal ignition changes combined with changing the valve opening and closing event (Cam timing) and changes to the torque calculations so everything is balanced.

A little more finesse than brute force

Oh, and the evolve-R just makes everyone's life easy at a reasonable cost.
what kind of afr's would one expect if they went with your tune? thank you.
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Since the DCT already shifts at a lightning quick speed, how is a tuned DCT any better in terms of feel, daily drivability and performance?
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Don't know hoe they do it but they seem to be able to run the DCT cooler so it doesn't go into limp mode.
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what kind of afr's would one expect if they went with your tune? thank you.
Stock AFR's.

They AFR does not need to be changed.

You can go slightly leaner and gain a small amount of HP but it's really not worth the risk.

Any tuner who logs EGT's on prolonged high rpm full load driving will know not to do this. For the sake of a dyno run... it gives more power until temperatures start rising.
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Don't know hoe they do it but they seem to be able to run the DCT cooler so it doesn't go into limp mode.
Or by just changing the temperature compensation maps or turning off the fault codes.

You cannot make the DCT run cooler unless you fit additional or better oil coolers like the race cars have.
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