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      09-20-2011, 12:10 AM   #199
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aapl will prob announce iphone 5 release date very soon......maybe even tomorrow given todays action.

But 300.00 more likely than 500.00...MSFT, CSCO, INTC were all great growing co's at some point and none have moved for a decade now...but they fall down eventually...so will AAPL one day, its inevitable...but they do make great computers and phones for now....

This bear mkt will be interesting...no credit collapse, perhaps worse, collapse of sovereign debt...govt was there to backstop bank losses but who will back up the govt debt bomb???...bond mkt is much larger than the equity mkts and currency mkt is much larger than bond mkt...we will see things we couldnt imagine soon enough.

Funny thing about charts is this, it gives you a window into the economic, political and social future.
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Not only i follow it, i invest. A year ago i buy MCD and KO for the longs. My bet is going well, but i gotta check the graphics in detail because i think the party is over for both, at least for a few months. I saw some signs that i dont like; fractals are our friends and they might help us


Im also in gold, pure speculation, trading for week to week, the channel is very stable by now, 1800-1900

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Seems like I'll be going against the grain from most of you, but I've been following the market for about 7 years, and investing off and on for 5. I made a lot of money buying Ford at $1.60 and selling at $12.60 in a 7 month span during the auto crisis a few years ago.

When I recently started investing again, I got into dividend paying pharmaceuticals and REITs. I bought BMY at 25.80 and sold for $30 last week for 16% adjusted profit less tax for a 6 months investment. Kinda wishing I'd held for a year to avoid the short capital gains tax, even if the value drops, I'd probably still come out ahead. Oh well.

My REIT portfolio is about even from where it was 6 months ago value wise (gained on IVR, lost on CIM), but I've made almost 35% of the stock value in dividends less 15% taxes, so I'm still doing quite well there.

Anyone else into REITs? Obama's tax restructuring talks right now are really scaring me. I'm hoping that shoot all that crap down or it'll really kill that market segment. For now though since the feds have promised to keep interest rates down, that segment should be safe. Hopefully the politicians don't regulate that segment out of existence.
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This board for actual traders so GTFO!...just kiddin ya....

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Man fuk apple. Didn't Italy get downgraded today? Why aren't the markets down 300? Makes no sense...
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I'm still waiting on a dip even though markets will be up tomorrow again. Thursday or Friday expect some turmoil though. Any news out of Greece?
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Man fuk apple. Didn't Italy get downgraded today? Why aren't the markets down 300? Makes no sense...
Because mkts only trade on news for vst...mkts will do what they were meant to do despite news...dont trade on news unless it is important news that will effect true money supply or M3.

Delta charts said there was buying control at end of day yesterday.

My downside target was 1170 but only got to 1182 ES...perhaps that is all we get...if we clear 1215 soon we should see 1250...if we dont clear this level selling will resume...we are at underside of a trendline so could break either way.
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Forget about the Fed's "operation twist", the real action is on France and to lesser degree Italy.

French banks have no money and need ECB money to stay afloat...China and other major european co's either not doing business with them or pulling funds out...smelling like euro flavored Lehman's to me....

MCP getting raped by JPM downgrade...who was the one on here loving MCP in the past???

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1. Wow, the price is going up, lets follow the market
2.Tendency keeps on, i better wait for the consolidation
3.Shit! i miss the consolidation, but if i wait longer im gonna get no much gain. Buy right now
4.Ha-ha! tremble Falcone!
5.I use this correction for buy more
6.Nice! at this prices i double up my invest
7.Damn! when its recover i sell all
8.I can belive! 20$ by action, record low
9.Oh god, this gonna be a looooong invest
10.FED are doing nothing about this!!!
11.Its over, i sell it all and i stay out
12.See? i was right! tremble Dalio!
13.Rebound ... its gonna down again anyway
14.Haha! tremble Soros!
15.What you said?
16.Damn!
17.Oh poor people buyed
18.I already said that this gonna happen
19.To hell, im gonna buy it. I take it cheaper than the last time
20. Its going up! hahaha, tremble Buffet!
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wow...this thread is degenerating quickly....
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Lol. Apple was up to $425 today and ended at $413. So glad I didn't buy, but I bet a lot of people sold causing it to fall.
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aapl will prob announce iphone 5 release date very soon......maybe even tomorrow given todays action.

But 300.00 more likely than 500.00...MSFT, CSCO, INTC were all great growing co's at some point and none have moved for a decade now...but they fall down eventually...so will AAPL one day, its inevitable...but they do make great computers and phones for now....

This bear mkt will be interesting...no credit collapse, perhaps worse, collapse of sovereign debt...govt was there to backstop bank losses but who will back up the govt debt bomb???...bond mkt is much larger than the equity mkts and currency mkt is much larger than bond mkt...we will see things we couldnt imagine soon enough.

Funny thing about charts is this, it gives you a window into the economic, political and social future.
I'd have to look back, but CSCO and MSFT were trading at stupid P/E multiples back then. I think CSCO's was triple digits for a long time. They also didn't have nearly the cash and 0 debt of AAPL. For what it's worth, I agree with you...but not at current levels. Prices have run up due to rumors and news, but their stock price also reflects (and cheaply reflects) their steady revenue growth and ridiculous quarterly results. They can't grow as fast as they have in the past, but they trade at something like 12 times next years earnings and under 10 if you back out cash.

They probably will fall at some point, but not before taking out $500 (pretty conservative) and maybe even $600. iPhone 5 demand is insane, they own the tablet market, and their PCs are even gaining seemingly every quarter.

They'll probably pay a dividend, do a share buyback, or be part of the Dow 30...all bullish for the stock. Clearly the short term action probably indicates a pullback should come, but they are probably the most fundamentally sound company that is pretty insulated from recession worries. I doubt their sales take much of a hit since people can't live without their phones and gadgets.

I just don't see many drivers causing AAPL to do anything but go higher.
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Lol. Apple was up to $425 today and ended at $413. So glad I didn't buy, but I bet a lot of people sold causing it to fall.
Probably goes up tomorrow if the market does...maybe even makes a new high. Just wait until they announce product specifics and report in Oct. You might wish you bought today...maybe not, but just sayin'...
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Dont get me wrong, AAPL is a awesome company...I own 5 apple computers, 4 iphones, an Ipad and 3 ipods....

The thing is this, not to sound like a insensitive jerk, but when Steve Jobs "goes" AAPl days are numbered,...not because they arent a great company, but because like all great hitters in baseball or great QB's in the NFL, you cannot keep it up a "great" run forever...AAPL is selling dream, a way of life...much beyond technical gadgetry...when Jobs goes, at some point AAPL will follow...MSFT and INTC have tons of cash ...so does GGOG...but at some tipping point, the weight they carry on their shoulders is too much for anyone...and once you are out of wallstreets favor, they never come back to you ala MSFT, CSCO, INTC.

Ya see, I know its hard to imagine AAPL falling hard but sometimes it has nothing to do with cash, products, sales or user expereince...for example, during early 08' AAPL trading at 200.00....then by yrs end it was near 85.00...did AAPL suck during this period?..nope, they still had the best ipods, computers, iphones, etc...and yes iphone was out during the bear selloff...my point, when mkts enter the bear, even a great company like AAPL wont be immune...stock price doesnt reflect how great a company is, it has only to do with supply-demand of the stock.
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I'm still waiting to pick up some dirt cheap stocks in the near 6-12 month period when I expect the market to crash, and harder than 08 at that.

I wonder if we can squeeze out some bull rallies tomorrow though with bernanke. Republicans sent a letter to the Fed telling them not to do anything lol.... I really doubt bernanke cares... IMO.
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I'm still waiting to pick up some dirt cheap stocks in the near 6-12 month period when I expect the market to crash, and harder than 08 at that.

I wonder if we can squeeze out some bull rallies tomorrow though with bernanke. Republicans sent a letter to the Fed telling them not to do anything lol.... I really doubt bernanke cares... IMO.
Better if they sent the letter to Santa Claus.

About the first thing, check this



About yesterday: insurmountable resistance from 1220 on the SP500, the session was boring (since there is little movement from the beginning pulled) but i saw things interesting.

each time it aproaches they crack long positions by discharging, overall volume was very low, but are getting important packages for sale as it approaches the 1218 while demand was shy. An analysis of the open interests in options and futures makes a strong downtrend, there was little volume ratio and long positions put: call was 1.84, with contracts even 3:1 in near-the-money

Scholastic and statistics say that today goes up. But my view of the market (of course without precision) is that strong hands discharge and made their moves. Be carefull outhere
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Dont get me wrong, AAPL is a awesome company...I own 5 apple computers, 4 iphones, an Ipad and 3 ipods....

The thing is this, not to sound like a insensitive jerk, but when Steve Jobs "goes" AAPl days are numbered,...not because they arent a great company, but because like all great hitters in baseball or great QB's in the NFL, you cannot keep it up a "great" run forever...AAPL is selling dream, a way of life...much beyond technical gadgetry...when Jobs goes, at some point AAPL will follow...MSFT and INTC have tons of cash ...so does GGOG...but at some tipping point, the weight they carry on their shoulders is too much for anyone...and once you are out of wallstreets favor, they never come back to you ala MSFT, CSCO, INTC.

Ya see, I know its hard to imagine AAPL falling hard but sometimes it has nothing to do with cash, products, sales or user expereince...for example, during early 08' AAPL trading at 200.00....then by yrs end it was near 85.00...did AAPL suck during this period?..nope, they still had the best ipods, computers, iphones, etc...and yes iphone was out during the bear selloff...my point, when mkts enter the bear, even a great company like AAPL wont be immune...stock price doesnt reflect how great a company is, it has only to do with supply-demand of the stock.
Yeah, yeah, but as I said, their earnings back up their stock price and do so conservatively. Their numbers are insane. One could argue that their growth, cash, and current p/e say the stock is cheap. Again, this isn't 100 p/e selling future growth potential like NFLX did before it was cut 60%. Oh and LNKD, please...AAPL does it and they do it every quarter, better than before.

I agree that years might wear the stock down, but again, not now. It's going to get much higher before it begins the decline you mention and are probably right about. Jobs still has some influence and the products in the pipeline have Jobs' fingerprints all over them. You saw the stock rally hard after the uncertainty of Jobs was removed. Now, we'll see if they can keep the momentum going long term. Perhaps they can't, but it won't matter in the next 12-18 months. I see iPhone sales increasing, iPads increasing more, and computers moving higher too.

This company looks like MSFT, CSCO, and INTC of old only in size...not in hard numbers. Permabears on AAPL said the same thing at $200, $300, REALLY screamed done at $350 and now we go toward $450...already hit $425 yesterday.
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Yeah, yeah, but as I said, their earnings back up their stock price and do so conservatively. Their numbers are insane. One could argue that their growth, cash, and current p/e say the stock is cheap. Again, this isn't 100 p/e selling future growth potential like NFLX did before it was cut 60%. Oh and LNKD, please...AAPL does it and they do it every quarter, better than before.

I agree that years might wear the stock down, but again, not now. It's going to get much higher before it begins the decline you mention and are probably right about. Jobs still has some influence and the products in the pipeline have Jobs' fingerprints all over them. You saw the stock rally hard after the uncertainty of Jobs was removed. Now, we'll see if they can keep the momentum going long term. Perhaps they can't, but it won't matter in the next 12-18 months. I see iPhone sales increasing, iPads increasing more, and computers moving higher too.

This company looks like MSFT, CSCO, and INTC of old only in size...not in hard numbers. Permabears on AAPL said the same thing at $200, $300, REALLY screamed done at $350 and now we go toward $450...already hit $425 yesterday.
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This company looks like MSFT, CSCO, and INTC of old only in size...not in hard numbers. Permabears on AAPL said the same thing at $200, $300, REALLY screamed done at $350 and now we go toward $450...already hit $425 yesterday.
My friend, nothings grows forever. When the apples are already matures they fall to the ground. And bears love apples.

I dont like the figure graphic does since June, even with the pullback that shows before. Maybe if it touch 370-380 again i would gamble on.

Maybe GOOG worths better for a few months invest
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