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      06-21-2011, 12:58 AM   #23
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It's more of a mindset with an M3. You have to drive it differently than other cars. Before the M3, I had an LS1 SS Camaro. This was more of a torque machine, so I could drive around at lower rpms and get my power there. In the M3, you must shift down to the lowest possible gear, and the thing will launch like a rocket. Cruising around at 3krpm is normal in this car, because it redlines at 8400rpm, where cruising around in the SS at 3k rpm would have been nuts. Drive the car to the motors strengths, that means high rpms and lower gears. Just don't do that until you break it in.
I think im going to take your advice and just continue to break in the engine and see how things go from there. Im extremely grateful that I have this car in my garage considering the amazing legacy it beholds. Thanks for helping me out.


Maybe the right time to bump this thread would be in a month or two when I finally hit 1200 miles and have my first service. Until then it could just be fun to speculate and talk about this topic.
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      06-21-2011, 01:02 AM   #24
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Honda makes great cars, my wife just purchased a CR-Z. Thanks for your suggestion
The simple fix for your problem is to get another car because even with a supercharger, you will never get the insane amount of tq that a tuned N54/N55 offer.

The M offers a more refine driving experience when compared to it's counterparts. However, it takes much longer time to really appreciate it, like a good wine.

Now let me ask you another question, Why did you jump into the M knowing that it does not offer what you want and cry about it on the forum? To me, this is trolling. Asking for suggestion? A simple search in the engine modification section would've easily get you the most updated result of what this M metal does.
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      06-21-2011, 01:16 AM   #27
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The simple fix for your problem is to get another car because even with a supercharger, you will never get the insane amount of tq that a tuned N54/N55 offer.

The M offers a more refine driving experience when compared to it's counterparts. However, it takes much longer time to really appreciate it, like a good wine.

Now let me ask you another question, Why did you jump into the M knowing that it does not offer what you want and cry about it on the forum? To me, this is trolling. Asking for suggestion? A simple search in the engine modification section would've easily get you the most updated result of what this M metal does.
oh no, im not crying in anyway what so ever. Im in love with this car. I literally wake up at 5am every morning and sit in my garage and read the owners manual learning the various functions etc. Ive always searched forums in the past but I never joined in. This was simply an attempt to make conversion and learn more about what people are doing these days with the newer M's. I am also very serious about putting a super charger on the car as well. I did a T-series Turbo on a older e46 M i had and the spool started at low RMPs and I was able to pull about 60lbs out of the bottom end. Im really confused actually, am I not supposed to start topics about superchargers ? Again I am new to all of this online stuff.
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How about a gearing change? Just a thought.
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      06-21-2011, 02:14 AM   #29
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I can't believe that your question is serious. If it really is I guess you don't know what natural aspirated engine and high rev means.
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      06-21-2011, 07:20 AM   #32
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May I ask what made you buy an M3? Please tell me something more than you liked how the power dom looked!
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      06-21-2011, 12:41 PM   #35
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Some people expect torque grunt at 1500 RPM on a 8400 RPM motor. That percieved "lack of torque" at 1500 RPM is what helps give the car its duel personality. And with a DCT, a flick of the paddle shifter quickly puts you in your max torque range. Hell even from a standstill and you punch it, the transmission delays slightly that you wouldn't even know what it feels like to not have all the torque the V8 has to offer.

So yes, cruising at 40mph in 7th gear at 1500 rpm and punching it without a downshift is going to be unremarkable. But why on earth would you not want to downshift to 6k RPM (the redline of most cars) and hear this wonderful motor spool up to 8k? Once you do that, you'll forever forget any talk of torque.
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Some people expect torque grunt at 1500 RPM on a 8400 RPM motor. That percieved "lack of torque" at 1500 RPM is what helps give the car its duel personality. And with a DCT, a flick of the paddle shifter quickly puts you in your max torque range. Hell even from a standstill and you punch it, the transmission delays slightly that you wouldn't even know what it feels like to not have all the torque the V8 has to offer.

So yes, cruising at 40mph in 7th gear at 1500 rpm and punching it without a downshift is going to be unremarkable. But why on earth would you not want to downshift to 6k RPM (the redline of most cars) and hear this wonderful motor spool up to 8k? Once you do that, you'll forever forget any talk of torque.
Couldn't agree more..it took me time to see the light (first high revving performance car) but once I saw the light, Oh boy, there is no turning back. Here was my "Power Band Baptistical Thread"
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...&highlight=s65
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If you are into broadway plays consider getting a thuper charger. It comes with tickets to shows and you get all the power of a supercharger.
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Not at the engine, but through the gears yes. Look at the link I posted.
how about on the wheel?
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oh no, im not crying in anyway what so ever. Im in love with this car. I literally wake up at 5am every morning and sit in my garage and read the owners manual learning the various functions etc. Ive always searched forums in the past but I never joined in. This was simply an attempt to make conversion and learn more about what people are doing these days with the newer M's. I am also very serious about putting a super charger on the car as well. I did a T-series Turbo on a older e46 M i had and the spool started at low RMPs and I was able to pull about 60lbs out of the bottom end. Im really confused actually, am I not supposed to start topics about superchargers ? Again I am new to all of this online stuff.
Everyone is just flaming you because the last thing e92 m3 drivers want to hear is how there is no torque down low. also, a supercharger wouldnt do much to change this. the powerband curve stays the same its just raised up a little bit more. I too had a jb3 335 and that thing was a rocket but it was also dead after 6k rpm. so essentially its powerband was 1500-6000...do the math, thats a similar range to the M3s sweetspot of 3500-8400. you just need to adapt differently to the different car. as nice as it was being in gear 6 flooring it at 40 mph in my 335 and hitting 80 in no time, its a whole other beast being able to drop 4 gears in less than a second and making my way towards redline. id much rather be cruising at 5000 rpm at all times hearing the engine instead of being at 2k rpm in a 335

you dont need any more low end torque, you need to wait until your car is broken in and has at least 1500 miles then, instead of a dead stop on the 101, start at 15 mph and just floor it up to gear 4 redlining it then come back and tell us if its lacking in power and torque.
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I have the ESS VT2-600 kit, making around 625 flywheel hp. It's a centrifugal blower, so if anything, I lost "low end torque", so I wouldn't recommend an ESS kit.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=510261

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http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...=542034&page=3 - See post 48

SC added ~70 pounds of torque.
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Everyone is just flaming you because the last thing e92 m3 drivers want to hear is how there is no torque down low. also, a supercharger wouldnt do much to change this. the powerband curve stays the same its just raised up a little bit more. I too had a jb3 335 and that thing was a rocket but it was also dead after 6k rpm. so essentially its powerband was 1500-6000...do the math, thats a similar range to the M3s sweetspot of 3500-8400. you just need to adapt differently to the different car. as nice as it was being in gear 6 flooring it at 40 mph in my 335 and hitting 80 in no time, its a whole other beast being able to drop 4 gears in less than a second and making my way towards redline. id much rather be cruising at 5000 rpm at all times hearing the engine instead of being at 2k rpm in a 335

you dont need any more low end torque, you need to wait until your car is broken in and has at least 1500 miles then, instead of a dead stop on the 101, start at 15 mph and just floor it up to gear 4 redlining it then come back and tell us if its lacking in power and torque.
I didn't know you can drive 125MPH on 101
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      06-21-2011, 02:37 PM   #43
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You're looking at peak torque. This guy wants more power down low, like under 3k rpm.
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