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      06-27-2011, 06:34 AM   #67
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      06-27-2011, 06:38 AM   #68
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That oval shaped chainring was called "Bio Pace" I think. Goofy.


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You're right it was "Bio-Pace", definitely goofy.

Sweet ride. One of my favorites. I was thinking about it last night and realized I have been riding since the late 80s. Damn I must be getting old.
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1M = Smart man's M3
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I was thinking about it last night and realized I have been riding since the late 80s. Damn I must be getting old.
I feel that way too.
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The N54 in the 1M feels much different than any other N54 vairant, including the Z4is and The 335is. It feels much more "M". It truly is an amazing little car. The purest in the BMW lineup.

With that being said, there are deffinitley two types of M3 buyers. Those who buy it for the name and those who buy it for the driving experience. I have found that it is more common that they buy it for the name, which is unfortunate.

Oh, and sorry DCT guys, the majority of "enthusiasts" go for the 6MT. The DCT is more common for the "name" buyers, as they cant drive stick. The DCT is an amazing thing, and for what it is, it is great. But at the end of the day, the car is missing something. And that little thing goes under your left foot.

I am a CA, so I see this stuff every day.
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And another thing, trust me.

With the 1M, dont knock it till you try it, its a BEAST. A true modern day E30 M3
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      06-27-2011, 01:10 PM   #73
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BMW is not going to design a completely new engine for a car with a one year production run. The 1M is a great exercise in seeing what they can do by swapping parts. A wonderful experiment so to speak.

I would suspect given the perfomance difference shown between the 1M and M3 (the 1M can be easily tuned to beat the M3 on the drag strip and on most race tracks) if they keep producing it (in the FXX bodies for example) they'll always end up using a "tuned" normal series motor so as to not surpass Big Brother. Would seem cheaper that way than building a seperate motor that will have to fit between the motor in the 1XX and the M3.

Just my thought anyway...
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      06-27-2011, 01:31 PM   #74
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Ive driven the 1M, and its no modern day E30. Thats taking it too far. I do think its a step in the right direction for a lighter more focused M car. It def feels underrated for its quoter hp/tq #s and the handling is what you would expect from the parts coming from the M3 bin. It will be a good buy when they are 30K in a year or so.

In the current bmw lineup it is the closest you can get to an E30 M3. It feels nice and light on its feet, something that no other M car can match.
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And another thing, trust me.
When someone starts by saying this, I generally don't.
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Oh, and sorry DCT guys, the majority of "enthusiasts" go for the 6MT. The DCT is more common for the "name" buyers, as they cant drive stick. The DCT is an amazing thing, and for what it is, it is great. But at the end of the day, the car is missing something. And that little thing goes under your left foot.
Well that settles it then...
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The N54 in the 1M feels much different than any other N54 vairant, including the Z4is and The 335is. It feels much more "M". It truly is an amazing little car. The purest in the BMW lineup.
interesting....and what would the "M" feel be like, since you are the expert around here?

Because all along we ignorant people thought that the true "M" feeling was one of high revving, instant throttle response, extremely agile, good looking, gt car.....

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Oh, and sorry DCT guys, the majority of "enthusiasts" go for the 6MT. The DCT is more common for the "name" buyers, as they cant drive stick. The DCT is an amazing thing, and for what it is, it is great. But at the end of the day, the car is missing something. And that little thing goes under your left foot.
subtle "I don't know how DCT works, so let me make up some retarded shit about 'enthrusiast' wanting MT's instead herp derp" post

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I am a CA, so I see this stuff every day.
Ah yes, CA...land of UFO's, Hollywood stars, high gas prices, and idiot BMW owners who get DCT's instead of a "REAL" transmission, am I right?
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nah, when someone starts their sentence with that, most usually don't

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With the 1M, dont knock it till you try it, its a BEAST. A true modern day E30 M3
sorry, but as good as the 1M, and I think it is a great car for the price, it's nowhere near a E30 M3 in terms of driving dynamics. You obviously have never driven a proper E30 M3.... sorry.
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      06-28-2011, 12:56 PM   #78
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that review sucked. someone actually pays him to say stuff? incredible.
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      06-29-2011, 05:04 PM   #79
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Ive driven the 1M, and its no modern day E30. Thats taking it too far. I do think its a step in the right direction for a lighter more focused M car. It def feels underrated for its quoter hp/tq #s and the handling is what you would expect from the parts coming from the M3 bin. It will be a good buy when they are 30K in a year or so.
With so few coming to the US, I seriously doubt they will be hitting $30k anytime soon. In the long run, I think the 1M may hold its value better than the e9x M3 simply due to low production volume although a lot of this depends on the next generation of M cars I'm sure.

I haven't driven one but based on what I've read/watched, the 1M seems like a great buy for the money compared to other cars brand new.
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Top gear had a better review of the car, sorry if its a repost:
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I owned a Z4M coupe, and despite having 1 of only ~1800 coupes in the COUNTRY, it didnt hold value well at all.
I also dont pay what other people pay for cars. I WILL be able to get a 1M (if i want one) for VERY cheap.
People were not lined up at the door of the dealer to order Z4M from the start...
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With so few coming to the US, I seriously doubt they will be hitting $30k anytime soon. In the long run, I think the 1M may hold its value better than the e9x M3 simply due to low production volume although a lot of this depends on the next generation of M cars I'm sure.

I haven't driven one but based on what I've read/watched, the 1M seems like a great buy for the money compared to other cars brand new.
I am not saying what you predict is not a possibility but will say that residuals do not hold up just because of low production numbers. I predict this car will be in the low to mid $30s sometime within the next two to two and a half years. FTR, I most definitely agree that this car is an exceptional bang for the money. I love the car and haven't even driven one.
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I don't understand something. Automobile Magazine in the print copy of the review on page 62 lists the 0-60 for the M3 with competition package at 4.7 seconds and the 1M at 4.5. They've gotten 4.5 seconds before. I'm surprised that the M3 would post slower than the 1M.
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Again...turbo vs na.....m3 still will hold the value than 1m..e92 m3 will be last na m3..
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People were not lined up at the door of the dealer to order Z4M from the start...
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I owned a Z4M coupe, and despite having 1 of only ~1800 coupes in the COUNTRY, it didnt hold value well at all.
I also dont pay what other people pay for cars. I WILL be able to get a 1M (if i want one) for VERY cheap.
As discoboy1 said, Z4M's didn't exactly fly off dealer lots while the 1M's seem pretty much spoken for at this point. That's cool if you can get the car at a great price but I was referring more to the general population.

Either way new or used IMO it seems like the 1M will be a great car for the coin.
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And again, people lining up for them has NOTHING to do with values.
This is pure speculation and I definitely can't predict the future but the fact that the limited US allocation for 1M's seems to be pretty much filled up is a good indication that this car will hold its value well. I'm not sure what makes you think otherwise but to each his own

BTW, I'm just basing this on the limited quantity available and the demand which probably exceeds that quantity. Maybe you're right and the demand will suddenly die down in a year or so...who knows
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Have you looked at residual values on the 1M? They dont support your speculation. 36 months only retains 48% of its value. Thats pretty bad and will not bode well for auction/trade in values or ultimately private party values either. Conversely, an M3 coupe has a 59% residual after the same period of time.
My family owns several high end car dealerships and I have a friend who owns another, so I know a bit more about how these things work...not that its rocket science. Unless its a very high end car (think GT2 RS, GT3 RS 4.0, 430 Scud) they just arent going to retain value very well.
One other thing to note is that there is a new 1 series that will be out very soon, and another 1M that will be faster and better in every way than the current one.
That's great that the residual is 48% (btw its 53% for 36 month/15k per year for June 2011). The 2011 Z4 3.5is 24 month/15k per year residual was 64% back in March and is 79% for June. Based on your logic, you're telling me that the 2 year old/30k mileage value of a 2011 car went UP 15% in ~3 months...tell me how much residuals mean.

From what I've seen, BMW usually keeps residuals low and money factors high for newly introduced cars. Same thing happened with the e9x m3 back when it went for sale in the US in spring 2008.

I do agree that when the new 1 series comes out and the new 1M is announced there will be a hit in value to these cars.
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....I owned a Z4M coupe, and despite having 1 of only ~1800 coupes in the COUNTRY, it didnt hold value well at all.....
I bought one of the Z4Mcoupes in 07, there were several factors at play that affected the lack of interest at the time. The obvious one was that the Z4 is a total niche car, 2 seats, small trunk, tight quarters, limited practicality. The second factor was we were on the verge of the debut of the new M3 with a hot new V8 engine. Thirdly, the economy was starting to take a serious dive. The current Z4M values have actually held steady for the last 3 years, selling for just about the same price I sold mine for 3.5yrs ago.

Ironically, when the M3 came out, they were not flying off showroom floors(not anything like the E46), some previous M3 owners looking to upgrade were experiencing sticker shock as there was a significant jump in price. I got 9k knocked of MSRP and a free 1 day M Performance Driving School for myself and a friend.

Yes, the Z4M was limited to 1815 but the demand was not there. The 1M is different. It has 1/2 the supply and serious demand. It has mass appeal, it's far more practical and if you don't understand simple supply and demand and how it affects the market value of a car I don't know what to tell you.
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