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      06-19-2011, 02:38 PM   #23
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Had a modded 335, now an M3. 335 had intake, exhaust, jb3 and i regularly ran race fuel and map 9

What I realized is that the 335 feels faster, but even with all those mods, my buddy and I would race and wed be neck and neck. So pretty much 335 feels faster but isnt actually any faster. The low end torque is nice but unless youre one of those people that just chills at 2krpm gear 6 and dont really care about shifting, youll really enjoy the m3 more. My driving style caters to always being above 4k rpm and constantly red lining and I love my m3 so much more than the 335. The 335 tapered off at 6k rpm and has that dead zone from 6-7k rpm. Id much rather be at 8400 than short shifting at 6k to stay in the power band
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      06-19-2011, 04:43 PM   #24
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Dude,
Get a fukkin civic and mod the shit out of it! It will bet the crap out of any Modded 335 and non modded M3.

Because that is what seems to be important to you. Torque and HP. All the factors point to one thing, you are probably still an adolescent and want cheap power. The M3 cannot comepete!
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      06-19-2011, 05:27 PM   #25
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This subject has obviously been beaten to death and re-posted eleventy billion times, and every time people say "The 335 has more low end torque".

No one ever brings Gear Ratios and RPMs/Redline into the equation.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=419634
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      06-19-2011, 05:37 PM   #26
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There's a huge difference between feeling fast and actually going fast. If all you care about is the feel, then the M3 is probably not for you.
I thought M3 would feel faster. It has vocal and relatively peaky engine whereas a 335 has a much flatter torque curve.
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I thought M3 would feel faster. It has vocal and relatively peaky engine whereas a 335 has a much flatter torque curve.
One word: Boost. Does a lot for seat of pants feeling.
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again with the torque...
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      06-19-2011, 05:50 PM   #29
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Dude,
Get a fukkin civic and mod the shit out of it! It will bet the crap out of any Modded 335 and non modded M3.

Because that is what seems to be important to you. Torque and HP. All the factors point to one thing, you are probably still an adolescent and want cheap power. The M3 cannot comepete!
I agree.
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      06-19-2011, 07:02 PM   #30
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Probably because if straight line performance is all you care about, the M3 is not the car for you. And if you are already trying to compare the low end torque feeling from a tuned N54-55 to the M3, you will be disappointed. It's just a different kind of car. I think it takes a certain type of driver to appreciate and prefer a high revving N/A car over one with lots of power available at cruising RPMs.

I wiil appreciate the high reving N/A engine cause i've already owned e46 m3
and you know what, i miss this crazy sound and instant throtle response,but anyway i'll buy a tune for 335 and after a while change it for a proper beast e92 m3
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      06-20-2011, 01:19 PM   #31
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It is actually not the torque.. it is the power at the low revs. Since there is more torque available at low revs, the resulting power at low revs is more.
That too

But my Z4 dynoed at about 352 wtq and 349whp on a Dynojet with the Jb4 :P

So it's not lacking in torque... that's for sure.
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      06-20-2011, 02:11 PM   #32
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I came from a tuned 335i to my current M3, M3 is in a completely different league!
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      06-20-2011, 02:12 PM   #33
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you'll never look at a 335 the same if you buy the M. TOTALLY different car

previous car was a 335 , so ya
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      06-20-2011, 02:16 PM   #34
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I came from a Dinan Stage 3 335i to the M3. The M3 feels much slower, though from watching videos I know that it's not actually the case. I very much miss the torque of that Dinan Stage 3. I'm glad I traded it in at 40k miles as I didn't want any warranty issues, but it was an incredible car.

The M3 is an incredible car in a different way. The handling is absolutely incredible, especially compared to the 335, and it, of course, has much more prestige and better looks. The interior is also superior. It's a much better car than the tuned 335, all things considered. I still miss that torque feel, however, and I sort of wish I would have gone for a used Porsche 997 turbo. I really don't think you can go wrong either way, but make sure you test drive a few cars before making your decision.
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      06-20-2011, 03:39 PM   #35
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...The interior is also superior...
Just curious: could you clarify more on this?

The differences that I know of:

1. different leather
2. M steering wheel
3. M-DCT knob vs gear selector (or non-M DCT knob) on auto
4. M logo on stuff

Are there any other significant differences?
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      06-20-2011, 03:45 PM   #36
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It blows you while driving...one of the many reasons I switched over from an N54!
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      06-20-2011, 03:56 PM   #37
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Just curious: could you clarify more on this?

The differences that I know of:

1. different leather
2. M steering wheel
3. M-DCT knob vs gear selector (or non-M DCT knob) on auto
4. M logo on stuff

Are there any other significant differences?
The leather is different, as you mentioned, and that made the biggest difference to me. I hated the 335 leather -- it felt cheap and stiff to me. I even preferred the leather in my 2006 Infiniti G35 coupe. The leather in the M3, on the other hand, is extremely nice and was exactly what I was looking for.

I also have extended leather, which is nice to replace some of the plastic on the inside. The ///M logo at various places in the car doesn't mean much to me, though it's kind of cool on the tachometer. The DCT knob as you mentioned is also very nice compared to the shifter in the auto 335. Additionally, the area around the shifter is black in the M3 and it has whatever trim you pick in the 335 -- I prefer the black look and allowing the trim to just be on the dash and the door to provide needed contrast. Simple wins the day for me.

And yeah, the steering wheel is very thick in the M3. Mostly my comment was referring to the leather, though.
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      06-20-2011, 04:18 PM   #38
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Had a modded 335, now an M3. 335 had intake, exhaust, jb3 and i regularly ran race fuel and map 9

What I realized is that the 335 feels faster, but even with all those mods, my buddy and I would race and wed be neck and neck. So pretty much 335 feels faster but isnt actually any faster. The low end torque is nice but unless youre one of those people that just chills at 2krpm gear 6 and dont really care about shifting, youll really enjoy the m3 more. My driving style caters to always being above 4k rpm and constantly red lining and I love my m3 so much more than the 335. The 335 tapered off at 6k rpm and has that dead zone from 6-7k rpm. Id much rather be at 8400 than short shifting at 6k to stay in the power band
The 335i with jb3 and intake should be faster then a stock m3, not just the feel
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Who cares about engine torque? The M3 puts more torque to the ground in first gear than a 335 does, and this is what you actually feel. I'm sick of people talking about engine torque.
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Who cares about engine torque? The M3 puts more torque to the ground in first gear than a 335 does, and this is what you actually feel. I'm sick of people talking about engine torque.
You think the M3 puts down more wheel torque than a tuned 335i? I can go dyno my M3 at the same dyno I did my Dinan 3 if you'd like, but I'm afraid I'd be depressed by the results.
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      06-20-2011, 09:56 PM   #41
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You think the M3 puts down more wheel torque than a tuned 335i? I can go dyno my M3 at the same dyno I did my Dinan 3 if you'd like, but I'm afraid I'd be depressed by the results.
Once again, you are talking about ENGINE TORQUE. Rear wheel torque is not the same as the amount of torque in first gear. Multiply the amount of torque by the first gear ratio and rear end ratio in both cars the M3 will have more torque. The M3 has as much torque in first gear as c5 z06 corvette. Does the 335??? Doubt it.
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http://forums.carmudgeons.com/showthread.php?t=23608

I misspoke, the M3 actually has more torque in first gear than a zo6, which is rated at 405 torque at the motor. This is the advantage of having horsepower, being able to mess with the gears. In the end, my M3 feels faster and is faster than a 335 because it puts more torque to the street in each gear than a 335.
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It is very obvious that the c63 was in the wrong gear.
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