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      06-03-2011, 11:01 AM   #1
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The C63 AMG Coupe debuted recently to much buzz because it represents Mercedes' best direct competitor to the BMW M3 coupe yet. Autobild has printed their first drive impressions comparing the two German sports coupes, and have also thrown in the RS5 coupe to include all 3 similar offerings from Germany's top 3 luxury makes. Expect a more specific and technical comparison of the 3 cars soon. Here's our translation:


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Even with 457hp in the basic trim, the C63 is the most powerful coupe in its class. The performance package makes things even better: composite brakes, carbon flaps and a power bump to 487hp. Unlike earlier C63 models which had a torque converter automatic transmission, the V8 now is mated to a lighter 7-speed MCT transmission. MCT stands for Multi Clutch Technology which sounds like a double clutch but isn't, nor does it react or work as fast. While the Audi RS 5 does make use of a double clutch transmission, it is only the BMW's DCT which shows all the best merits of this technology - Up, down, double click, everything's done in real time; no lag, no torque dip. The BMW's shift lights warn of the approaching redline, and the automatic double-clutch welcomes the next gear. Terrific!


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As for emotions, the M3 is still king in its class. It's the red herring of BMW M's history - it was already an iconic car even as Audi was still trying to build its rallye image. The 4-liter V8 makes up for missing displacement with its characteristics. The M3's individual throttle butterflies seem to be able to read your mind. Everything fits, even if -- or is it when -- you take the road in a drift. And this noise! Unlike the Mercedes and its US style V8 exhaust sound, the M3 makes most of its noise from the engine itself. It's screaming a high praise on naturally aspirated engines, and the new M Performance exhaust adds even more of a race car feel.


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The Audi is a different animal. The 4.2-litre DI engine sounds more subdued. Deeper, not unsexy and quite the right tone for a drive into the sunset. The engine feels like a middleground between the Merc and the BMW - at the same time not besting either of them. It lacks both the punch of the AMG down low and the spirit of the BMW at high revs. The RS5 however fascinates with its drivetrain. It allows you to do things you shouldn't even think about doing with a car having that much weight at the front, the Sport Diff is that good. What's missing [in the RS5] is willingness to turn in. Both the BMW and the Mercedes negotiate tight corners joyfully while the RS5 remains a bit 'stressed.' Enough to lose a comparison? Maybe.



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      06-06-2011, 03:06 PM   #2
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Comparison results the same as usual. The new F3X M3 in development has alot to live up to.
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So it doesn't say if C63 is faster?

btw, does Mercedes offer both the "standard" and performance packages for C63 in US?
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mercedes and audi are producing their cars directly to fight with the m3, they both produced a coupe version of their sedan ones, and then the sports editions, amg and rs. it is very clear that the c63 coupe and rs5 are going after the m3, however the m3 looks way more original than both do.
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      06-06-2011, 03:18 PM   #5
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So it doesn't say if C63 is faster?

btw, does Mercedes offer both the "standard" and performance packages for C63 in US?
Yes.
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      06-06-2011, 03:20 PM   #6
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wow that Merc is looking very aggressive... I have to admit the M3 is starting to get a little dated... but man I'd love to have all 3 cars in the garage
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BMW have tapped into this by mirroring typical BMW dynamics and steering communication within the new UKL cars.
You mean massive body roll, a steering system that is not connected to the front wheels, and the engine note played through the speaker system?!?!?!?!
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...seriously m3's still my pick. i feel like everything else is just a copy.
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Yes.
See that's annoying. BMW is not bringing some of their engines here because they don't want to deal with certifying them... BMW really sucks sometimes.
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wow that Merc is looking very aggressive... I have to admit the M3 is starting to get a little dated... but man I'd love to have all 3 cars in the garage
Look of the Audi, exhaust note of the Mercedes, and the performance of the BMW is what I want
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After 5 years the M3 is still capable of beating its newer lame rivals If we look back when the m3 was launched we won't find any comparison between and the old c class amg...that's because it doesn't have any chance...and now the m3 is still comparable easily...AND IT'S STILL AT THE TOP!!!that's what we should look for in a car not some horsepower numbers written on papers.
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Look of the Audi, exhaust note of the Mercedes, and the performance of the BMW is what I want
thats what am dreaming about lol
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See that's annoying. BMW is not bringing some of their engines here because they don't want to deal with certifying them... BMW really sucks sometimes.
It's not a different engine. It's an engine tune.
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I dont know I still love the look of my M3. And the high rev NA V8 is just awesome. With the way things are going im not sure ill ever give up my e92 M3. I love it.
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It's not a different engine. It's an engine tune.
My impression was that even with tune, you need to re-certify it? Wasn't that the reason we didn't see M3 CSL? I might be wrong...
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m3 and c63 > piece of crap rs5
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Q: What did the M3 eat for breakfast?

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The Autocar review says its faster.

It also says the C63 coupe has better turn-in and steering feel than the M3.

Also they would now pick the C63 over the M3.

But that review won't make the front page.
Oh well, I expect it to beat. I mean it was about time I still love my M3 anyways.
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Yah for the m3.

But I have no idea what the article was saying about the Audi being "not unsexy." What's going on over there?
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