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      03-29-2007, 11:23 PM   #1
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Exclamation Gearbox confirmation... New Zealand

Hi Guys

Have spoken with BMW New Zealand and they confirm M3 release date for specs here in NZ is 2-April-07. Our first cars will be here end of Sep, beginning of Oct-07, manual only.

NO SMG. Dual clutch only, called 'M dual clutch'. This will here in NZ Apr/May 08'.

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      03-30-2007, 12:19 AM   #2
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Hi Guys

Have spoken with BMW New Zealand and they confirm M3 release date for specs here in NZ is 2-April-07. Our first cars will be here end of Sep, beginning of Oct-07, manual only.

NO SMG. Dual clutch only, called 'M dual clutch'. This will here in NZ Apr/May 08'.

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Cool, that's great news!

What is NZ/AU history with recieveing cars before or after the US?
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      03-30-2007, 12:27 AM   #3
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great news...please I hope this is true so we can calculate how much longer we have to wait....
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So the other thread might be true. USA might not see the M3 until May 2008 as a 2007.5 or 2008 model?
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      03-30-2007, 01:56 AM   #5
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relax don't jump to conclusions yet

I think if anything guys that 6speed and dual clutch will be released in the U.S. at the same time cuz of that delay u know?
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Hi Guys

Have spoken with BMW New Zealand and they confirm M3 release date for specs here in NZ is 2-April-07. Our first cars will be here end of Sep, beginning of Oct-07, manual only.

NO SMG. Dual clutch only, called 'M dual clutch'. This will here in NZ Apr/May 08'.

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Pretty well matches what we're being told in the UK.
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      03-30-2007, 01:05 PM   #7
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Yep. The M3 will not be fitted with SMG, but instead a ZSG based system which will become available 6-8 months after launch.
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      03-30-2007, 01:19 PM   #8
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Yep. The M3 will not be fitted with SMG, but instead a ZSG based system which will become available 6-8 months after launch.
Thanks for clarifying.
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      03-30-2007, 02:12 PM   #9
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So the other thread might be true. USA might not see the M3 until May 2008 as a 2007.5 or 2008 model?
I highly highly doubt that in '08 the model will be called an '07.5.
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      03-30-2007, 02:56 PM   #10
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US situation

I know I have said it a million times but damn, I hope we get some automated manual right from 1st shipments here in the US. It will be such a shame to see all the non-enthusiast dorks with their new M3s while I am twiddling my thumbs waiting for a real 21st century tranny... It will truly be too much to bear.
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      03-30-2007, 04:00 PM   #11
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I know I have said it a million times but damn, I hope we get some automated manual right from 1st shipments here in the US. It will be such a shame to see all the non-enthusiast dorks with their new M3s while I am twiddling my thumbs waiting for a real 21st century tranny... It will truly be too much to bear.
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      03-30-2007, 04:03 PM   #12
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I'm now seriously thinking about getting a manual instead of waiting an addtional 6-8 months for DSG. Dont think I can hold out. I know its kinda childish but I wanna be the first in my neighbourhood.


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      03-30-2007, 04:07 PM   #13
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I know I have said it a million times but damn, I hope we get some automated manual right from 1st shipments here in the US. It will be such a shame to see all the non-enthusiast dorks with their new M3s while I am twiddling my thumbs waiting for a real 21st century tranny... It will truly be too much to bear.
Haha, I got a good laugh from that.

Enjoy your uber-modern, elitist slushbox automatic (when it comes out in 2010).
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      03-30-2007, 05:34 PM   #14
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Haha, I got a good laugh from that.

Enjoy your uber-modern, elitist slushbox automatic (when it comes out in 2010).
1. You are not so bright if you think or call a SMG or DSG a "slushbox". That term is specifically for a true automatic transmission using principles of fluid dynamics extensively in the tranny.
2. It´s not my fault you are a retro-luddite.
3. Enjoy your 2008 M3 when I blaze by you with a real transmission.



P.S. I´d rarely use the "automatic" mode with a SMG/DSG, if that makes any difference...
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And...

1. Do or do not non-enthusiast dorks buy hot new cars with little to no appreciation of the vehicles features and capabilities and heritage?
2. Is or isnīt it fair for a true enthusiast to also want to have something when it is fresh. IMO it is definitely a fun part of having a new vehicle to simply have it when it first comes out?
3. Go tell someone else they donīt have class before you know anything about me.
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Haha, I got a good laugh from that.

Enjoy your uber-modern, elitist slushbox automatic (when it comes out in 2010).
I think BMW is compelled to release the M3 without the ZSG / DSG / DCT...the RS4 has too long a run.

Other than the US market, most of the world gets you mate new M engines with sequential boxes (no matter if they are SMG / ZSG / DSG / DCT)....

I am seriously angry at BMWUSA for forcing BMW Gmbh into producing the M5 / M6 with a manual tranny. It completely put a blemish in an otherwise clean record for the M5 / M6 (other than the original M6 wheels in 1988). It completely dilutes the marque.

As for the M3, figure 0.5 seconds per gear for an aggressive shift in a manual box. In a modern SMG, the shift time is 0.065 seconds, ZSG is supposed to be faster still.

So for a 4 gear run the sequential box has a 4 X (0.5-0.065) = 0.435 second advantage over a manual.

Modern cars live and die by this margin.....it is free if you wait for the right gear box.
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And...

1. Do or do not non-enthusiast dorks buy hot new cars with little to no appreciation of the vehicles features and capabilities and heritage?
2. Is or isnīt it fair for a true enthusiast to also want to have something when it is fresh. IMO it is definitely a fun part of having a new vehicle to simply have it when it first comes out?
3. Go tell someone else they donīt have class before you know anything about me.
You called me a non-enthusiast dork and you know nothing about me.
Let me know when you fix your "rules".
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Yep. The M3 will not be fitted with SMG, but instead a ZSG based system which will become available 6-8 months after launch.

What the heck is a zsg? Whatever they call it, smg, dsg or zsg, that's what I want...so I guess I'll wait.....
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fantastic news!!! :rocks:
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Hi Guys

Have spoken with BMW New Zealand and they confirm M3 release date for specs here in NZ is 2-April-07. Head
Wait, does this mean we're getting M3 specs April 2nd?
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      03-30-2007, 07:12 PM   #21
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I respect the technology in the dual clutch type 'manual' automatics for sure, but that is a far reach to suggest that a true enthusiast should not even consider a true manual. What is a Porsche GT3 buyer to do?
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I'm sure the new tranny would be faster but I would prefer the standard manual just because we do not know how the new tranny stack up to race like conditions. Would the tranny overheat and have shifting problems? Would it wear the clutch faster? Would changing the two clutches cost more than one? Personally, I would wait for the technology until BMW gets rid of all standard manuals. That is when BMW is confident that it is superior in longevity and performance compare to the standard manual. That is when I will buy one.

I can see being the first is also, but the standrad manual is my preference for now.
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