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      05-28-2011, 12:08 PM   #155
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I cant see BMW changing their best selling car's moniker. That would just be dumb, Everyone knows the 3 series.

Thats like ford changing the "mustang", to "stallion" for 2013???

People would be like WTF?

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I remember WV did something like that. Changed the Golf to Rabbit for a year and then changed it back to Golf again for some reason.
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      05-29-2011, 12:56 PM   #156
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M3 Gran Coupe FTW!!! I look forward to seeing future spy shots and the next gen engine choice. So it looks like I got 5 more years to mod my e90 until my next ride.
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This special M3 wonít be an exact, tit-for-tat partner for the GTS. BMW says that, in the interest of streetability, the GTS sedan will instead occupy the wafer-thin real estate between that hard-core variant and the stock car. Itís thus unlikely to make as much power as the 444-horse GTS (or get that carís bored-out 4.4-liter), instead utilizing a slightly brawnier version of the regular 4.0-liter S65 V-8, which is good for 414 hp in basic tune
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      05-31-2011, 08:13 AM   #157
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Sure, there is no debate on the observation of trends. Minimally I just think your "government issue" is WAY too strong of a statement, practically I call it a falsity.
Well, in case it wasn't obvious, it was an intentional exaggeration.
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Sorry if this is the wrong thread for this. I often read multiple threads but donít really reply or post opinions. But I was leaving Frankfurt yesterday when I noticed on the cover of a car magazine in a rather small font, "Der neuen BMW coupes." So I opened the mag to the small two page article and since I am not fluent in German took these pics. So here is why I decided to post this. I asked two flight attendants, both of whom are German to translate the little blurb about the 4er coupe. One flight attendant was not interested because it did not involve getting me water, soda or beer. The second flight attendant did translate it for me but I am not sure if I should believe her. She explained what it said and I still wasn't sure so I asked her specifically about the last sentence and she said it means that there will no longer be an M3 but rather the M4. Thats the first I heard of this and was curious. I am sure there has to be someone on here that can give a better translation or answer.
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Seems that if you are an M fan you have to carry on like a bloody infant at the slightest sign of change.

BMW M always deliver a great and usually superior package, they never make a car that fails at its initial objective.

One could argue that the M division could ask the majority of you for some respect in their decission making and to have a little faith.

If the new F3X M3 comes out, you drive it and dislike it, then fair enough. Until then, see the above paragraph.
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      06-08-2011, 06:10 AM   #160
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I remember WV did something like that. Changed the Golf to Rabbit for a year and then changed it back to Golf again for some reason.
Originally the Golf was sold in Europe only. When it was brought into the US in 1975 VWOA didn't think the name was marketable so it was changed to the Rabbit, which it remained until the MkIII debuted in 1994 and the name was changed to match the ROW, Golf III. When the MkV platform debuted in 2006 the Rabbit name was reinstituted. When the MkVI debuted in 2010 the name reverted back to the Golf. Maybe they were trying to save a few bucks on the name badges??

In short, it was about marketing.
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      06-08-2011, 07:55 AM   #161
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Sorry if this is the wrong thread for this. I often read multiple threads but donít really reply or post opinions. But I was leaving Frankfurt yesterday when I noticed on the cover of a car magazine in a rather small font, "Der neuen BMW coupes." So I opened the mag to the small two page article and since I am not fluent in German took these pics. So here is why I decided to post this. I asked two flight attendants, both of whom are German to translate the little blurb about the 4er coupe. One flight attendant was not interested because it did not involve getting me water, soda or beer. The second flight attendant did translate it for me but I am not sure if I should believe her. She explained what it said and I still wasn't sure so I asked her specifically about the last sentence and she said it means that there will no longer be an M3 but rather the M4. Thats the first I heard of this and was curious. I am sure there has to be someone on here that can give a better translation or answer.
She is right!
AutoBild quotes that from the typological logic the F32/35 coupes and the F33 convertible must become the lable M4 !
But nothing is clear about this ... Scott quotes that the cars could stay under the lable M3, but logical correct is only the position from AutoBild!
Its also possible that BMW brings an F30 M3 sedan again to fill the gap ... but nobody knows the truth.
We have to wait and see!

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      06-08-2011, 09:04 AM   #162
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Seems that if you are an M fan you have to carry on like a bloody infant at the slightest sign of change.

BMW M always deliver a great and usually superior package, they never make a car that fails at its initial objective.

One could argue that the M division could ask the majority of you for some respect in their decision making and to have a little faith.

If the new F3X M3 comes out, you drive it and dislike it, then fair enough. Until then, see the above paragraph.

Exactly how i feel.

If they can make all the Mcars to dominate each segment like they have been, then so be it.

People are against the X5M and X6M but hell those beasts defy the laws of physics! M division pulled off the impossible and for that i give them some credit.
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      06-08-2011, 09:34 AM   #163
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No WAY they will get rid of the "M3" brand
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      06-13-2011, 09:18 AM   #164
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At this stage, we don't even know what the regular F30 line will be like in terms of size/weight/driving dynamics. I'm sure that the new M versions will be amazing cars & that they will use whatever powerplant makes the most sense. There haven't been any horrible M-cars from a driving standpoint & I think this is likely to continue to be the case.

The X5M & X6M, although a departure from the traditional M car, are amazing vehicles & compare nicely to the much more expensive Cayenne Turbo. I have an F10 5-series as a loaner & there are several things which I don't like about the driving dynamics of the car (mostly the numb steering) but is decent overall compared to other brands. I doubt that the new M5 will have the same problems (just like how the M cars have stayed with regular tires instead of run flats).
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      06-13-2011, 09:28 AM   #165
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      06-13-2011, 01:03 PM   #166
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my lease ends in 2013... guess I'll be getting a GTR or a Porsche afterwards
Same here... May be you & I could do a group(buy)lease.
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      06-13-2011, 01:07 PM   #167
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M3 Touring in the USA will fail so hard. Theres probably 100 people in the whole country who like wagons.
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      06-13-2011, 01:10 PM   #168
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I'd love to step up to a P car after the M3, but we'll see. Still love M division.
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      06-13-2011, 01:52 PM   #169
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People who think the 3 series coupe/sedan must be the only platforms for an M car.
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      06-13-2011, 02:03 PM   #171
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M3 Touring in the USA will fail so hard. Theres probably 100 people in the whole country who like wagons.
Well, they probably aren't planning to bring it over here anyway. But even if they do, the business case would be built around a small number of sales.
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M cars are not rare any more. Every series will have their M model.... I dont like x5m/ x6m ....
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M cars are not rare any more. Every series will have their M model.... I dont like x5m/ x6m ....
i can't wait until we have M versions of M versions
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There is no doubt that the M division is heading down a different path, one that is counter to their original philosophy. Because of this, I too will adjust.


Instead of buying my fourth M, I have decided to keep the E92 as a daily and buy a used GT3 to play with.

No hard feelings BMV, Porsche still gets it.
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There is no doubt that the M division is heading down a different path, one that is counter to their original philosophy. Because of this, I too will adjust.


Instead of buying my fourth M, I have decided to keep the E92 as a daily and buy a used GT3 to play with.

No hard feelings BMV, Porsche still gets it.
Don't forget Porsche makes their money selling Cayennes, Panameras, and the upcoming Cajun and a VW based starter Porsche. The Porsche boards have plenty of moaners about everything not 911, despite it being a dead end chassis in the near future.

I just put a deposit for the first M3 (4) Gran Coupe in my area...can't wait for the monster low end and a sportier looking 4 door.
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Don't forget Porsche makes their money selling Cayennes, Panameras, and the upcoming Cajun and a VW based starter Porsche. The Porsche boards have plenty of moaners about everything not 911, despite it being a dead end chassis in the near future.
I spend as much time on Porsche forums as here, and no one is complaining on those forums over any of the Porsche mainstream money makers you mentioned. All the true sports car enthusiasts are too busy enjoying or dreaming of the plethora of focused products offered like the Boxster Spyder, Cayman R, Turbo, Turbo S, GT3, GT3RS, GT3RS 4.0, GT2, GT2RS, etc...

What does BMW have? The M3 is more of a luxury grand tourer than anything listed above, and the M3 GTS is worthless compared to similar priced or even less expensive Porsche products. The 1M project is a decent attempt and had the right ideas, but no one is fooled by the standard issue engine they stuck in it.

Those bread and butter money makers give Porsche the capital to offer such Halo products in order to boost the profile and heritage of the brand. Everyone knows Porsche is making a smaller profit margin on cars like the GT3 and GT2 which utilize the much more expensive to produce GT1 based Metzger engine. Yet they do it anyways for the long term benefit it gives Porsche as a brand, strengthening its reputation as a true performance manufacturer.

Meanwhile BMW utilizes its bread and butter money makers to do what? Put additional earnings into the bottom line for its investors, rather than re-invest in the brand's image and performance credentials. I suppose this is why BMW no longer claims to offer the "ultimate driving machine" when they now prefer the "efficient dynamics" of maximizing short term profit.
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