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      05-26-2011, 05:13 PM   #111
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So rest of the line with be a 4 series, but the M version will be call the M3?

Who is running BMW now? Seemed like BMW used to be run by engineers? Anyone remember when the car model used to say everything about the car. I have a 320i beater, wanna guess what engine is in there? yeah, a 2.0L I6.

So the next M3 will be off based off the 4 series, sounds massively confusing...
I agree it makes no sense at all. Either call it M4 or call them all 3-series.

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But is Scott saying that the 3 coupe will remain a 3, the touring and gran coupe are 4?

Then there will be an M3 coupe and M4 touring and g-coupe. This would almost make sense, but it defeats BMWs efforts to make the gran coupe as sporty as the coupe version.
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      05-26-2011, 05:22 PM   #112
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M3 will remain.

Despite the Coupe , Cabrio and Gran Coupe being renamed 4er.
The key is Individuality. M3 is not just a faster 3er it is a totally different car , drives differently and does not even have the same drivetrain.
sorry for the double post but I can't not comment on this:

M3 is not just a faster 3er it is a totally different car , drives differently and does not even have the same drivetrain.

So what BMW is thinking is that placing the M badge infront of the chrome 3 doesn't do enough to establish it as its own entity? And the past 30 years of doing this were unsuccessful.

Since the performance of the next M3 won't speak for itself BMW decided that naming the car the M3 resembles so closely a 4-series? Brilliant.

It I am somehow wrong correct me, otherwise Scott, please make phone calls, wave flags, pull fire alarms, do whatever to get this nonsense fixed.
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sorry for the double post but I can't not comment on this:

M3 is not just a faster 3er it is a totally different car , drives differently and does not even have the same drivetrain.

So what BMW is thinking is that placing the M badge infront of the chrome 3 doesn't do enough to establish it as its own entity? And the past 30 years of doing this were unsuccessful.

Since the performance of the next M3 won't speak for itself BMW decided that naming the car the M3 resembles so closely a 4-series? Brilliant.

It I am somehow wrong correct me, otherwise Scott, please make phone calls, wave flags, pull fire alarms, do whatever to get this nonsense fixed.


its not going to happen until people stop buying these cars. I would love to be a loyal customer for years down the road, Return back to germany every couple of years for ED, I know I could justifiy that to the wife...but it won't happen. I thought the ///M badging on the current lineup was bad enough now, it looks lke it is going to get retated in the next couple years. Thats fine with me, I'll have the ///M that I like, and I will just become a loyal customer to another brand....GT3????
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ppl are paying with their wallets with other brands, M has to follow guys as much as we hate it, it's a business after all
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So the sedan is replaced by the Gran Coupe?
so the door sedan is replaced by the 4 door grand coupe/
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      05-26-2011, 06:27 PM   #116
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ppl are paying with their wallets with other brands, M has to follow guys as much as we hate it, it's a business after all
Are you referring to other brands or just the other two German manufacturers? If you're comparing BMW to Mercedes and Audi, with it's current lineup doesn't BMW outsell Mercedes and Audi?

If you're saying that people are now considering other brands like Infiniti or Lexus, fine but how does introducing more models (2-series, 4-series) going to help that? The way I look at it is regardless of what BMW introduces, it'll only benefit those who are actually looking in purchasing a BMW because whatever BMW releases whether it be a 2-series or 4-series, it'll always be overpriced vs. the competition so at the end, people will still consider other brands.

With all the new models BMW is planning, it's just them wanting more sales and not necessarily in response to what others are doing because even with their current lineup, their sales are solid and growing with each quarter. At the end, whether it be a BMW, Mercedes or Audi, there's always going to be a premium being paid and regardless of what BMW comes out with, there will always be a premium being paid over a competing model so you're sort of back to square one.

Just my 0.02.
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      05-26-2011, 06:32 PM   #117
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Think A6 v A7 in Audi parlance or E v CLS for Mercedes. A four door "coupe". As somebody mentioned, it will allow BMW to charge a premium over an "ordinary" sedan.

Somehow my original post got deleted but when Scott mentions "groundbreaking" engine for the F3x, it sounds like the tri-turbo option was selected. InsideLine is apparently saying otherwise.
A7 is more like a GT than a gran coupe.
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      05-26-2011, 07:09 PM   #118
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Seemed like BMW used to be run by engineers?
i think you hit the nail on the head right there
it used to be run by enginners, now it's run by marketing people
who "think" they know whats best based on their "focus groups"
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      05-26-2011, 07:21 PM   #119
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i think you hit the nail on the head right there
it used to be run by enginners, now it's run by marketing people
who "think" they know whats best based on their "focus groups"
hahaha, as an engineer this post hits home. I am not completely convinced that BMW has taken a turn for the worst. My faith lies in the recent success of the 1M and future plans of the i3 and i8, but I am not trying to start any debate on those matters...

But as you suggested, it does seem a group of marketing people could change an organization in the direction BMW seems to be going.

It might seem that we are pulling hairs over nothing, but honestly a series of illogical decisions seems very telling.
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Oh dear, sedan had been replaced by Gran Coupe..
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hahaha, as an engineer this post hits home. I am not completely convinced that BMW has taken a turn for the worst. My faith lies in the recent success of the 1M and future plans of the i3 and i8, but I am not trying to start any debate on those matters...

But as you suggested, it does seem a group of marketing people could change an organization in the direction BMW seems to be going.

It might seem that we are pulling hairs over nothing, but honestly a series of illogical decisions seems very telling.
Yeah I thought so, I am a mechanical engineer according to my school...not by my job, however that "was" the great thing about ///M for me. As a hardcore Oberfranken "Fan", which is in Bayern, I think my next car will be a Porsche...started talking to the wife about that one
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might as well. keep destroying the m brand
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its not going to happen until people stop buying these cars. I would love to be a loyal customer for years down the road, Return back to germany every couple of years for ED, I know I could justifiy that to the wife...but it won't happen. I thought the ///M badging on the current lineup was bad enough now, it looks lke it is going to get retated in the next couple years. Thats fine with me, I'll have the ///M that I like, and I will just become a loyal customer to another brand....GT3????
I already have plans of leaving the brand for my next car purchase. I am on the 5th bimmer. I no longer feel loyal to a brand, that is not loyal to hardcore fans.
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its not going to happen until people stop buying these cars. I would love to be a loyal customer for years down the road, Return back to germany every couple of years for ED, I know I could justifiy that to the wife...but it won't happen. I thought the ///M badging on the current lineup was bad enough now, it looks lke it is going to get retated in the next couple years. Thats fine with me, I'll have the ///M that I like, and I will just become a loyal customer to another brand....GT3????
I already have plans of leaving the brand for my next car purchase. I am on the 5th bimmer. I no longer feel loyal to a brand, that is not loyal to hardcore fans.
And you would buy what instead? Audi Porsche Mercedes?
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So, this is great news I wasn't sure how much more BMW could water down the ///M brand, but god bless them, they found a way.......

WTF.............

Even Audi has not whored out their RS-Line OR their S-Line the way BMW is whoring out the ///M line.

The aura, prestige, soul and heart of the ///M division is OFFICIALLY DEAD......

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      05-26-2011, 09:14 PM   #128
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fixed for ya..

and more M the merrier..
As long as all of them live up to M name, I dont see how offering many flavors is a bad thing..

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      05-26-2011, 09:19 PM   #129
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So, this is great news I wasn't sure how much more BMW could water down the ///M brand, but god bless them, they found a way.......

WTF.............

Even Audi has not whored out their RS-Line OR their S-Line the way BMW is whoring out the ///M line.

The aura, prestige, soul and heart of the ///M division is OFFICIALLY DEAD......

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why so much distress?

I can see three possible compaints:

(1) M badges on SUVs
(2) M badges on Wagons
(3) Gran Coupe instead of sedan

but I dont see the issue with any of these

(1) M SUVs are pretty fun and look hot
(2) There have been M wagons before no? Werent there at the e46 timeline?
(3) Gran coupe will probably be sportier than sedan, but likely more $$ is true

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Enthusiasts come in all shapes,sizes, and needs in a car. I am happy to see a four door variant of the next m3 and hopefully a touring version make it to the US. At least it will keep BMW in the conversation when I do buy my next car.
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I am happy to see that there will still be a 4 door variant but, to me, the current gen looks way better...
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why so much distress?

I can see three possible compaints:

(1) M badges on SUVs
(2) M badges on Wagons
(3) Gran Coupe instead of sedan

but I dont see the issue with any of these

(1) M SUVs are pretty fun and look hot
(2) There have been M wagons before no? Werent there at the e46 timeline?
(3) Gran coupe will probably be sportier than sedan, but likely more $$ is true

You will never understand where I am coming from.......and that is ok. But if you are confused and think ///M SUV's are fun and look hot, then you and I will absolutely never see eye-to-eye.

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