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      05-23-2011, 07:39 PM   #1
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First Track day coming up. These videos scare me.

I'm doing my first HPDE at Laguna Seca in a few weeks (through BMWCCA). I'm really excited, but stumbled across some of these track day videos. Getting kind of scared. I have no problem with car control at autox speeds, but I'm sure it's much different going 50-80mph (or faster). I'm sure BMWCCA puts safety first, but I really hope those in my run group play it safe and smart. Just thought I'd share some of the videos I found.









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      05-23-2011, 07:53 PM   #2
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you should be scared of idiots like that. Those are the type of people who think they are having fun, and cause accidents, and death.





this video shows exactly why fooling around like hanging the tail out for some "fun" is prohibited. The conception that "i know how to handle my car", nobody knows and even pros makes mistakes.
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Damm! I been dieing to get out to a track day but, im scared too.

I think I can handle driving on a track but I know Ill just try to push my self to far.

Be safe.
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PINHEAD: I don't think the drive in that last video intentionally kicked his tail out...you can see that he just lost control of his rear.

Track days are fun and safe as long as you are aware of the other drivers around you and don't push yourself to the limit.
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Sick drifting in the second vid...too bad he lost it.
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PINHEAD: I don't think the drive in that last video intentionally kicked his tail out...you can see that he just lost control of his rear.

Track days are fun and safe as long as you are aware of the other drivers around you and don't push yourself to the limit.
yes i clearly saw that. what happened was the driver lifted off at a slightly off camber uphill thats why his back end went out and he over corrected which he couldn't recover from. Nevertheless, pushing the back end out by powering over, can cause the same thing to happen, which is why it is strictly enforced.
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Ohh, I don't think anyone mentioned yet... I tell everyone CALL YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY before you come to the track. It seems its 50-50 with people for insurance to cover you on the track being an "educational" event or not. Don't take your car on the track unless you are willing to completely write it off and not see a penny from anyone.
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That does make me think twice about going to track days
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this will scare you.
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Being a bit scared is good. It will make you focus and not do anything stupid. Just don't try to drive at 10/10 and you will be fine.
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OP, don't sweat it man. BMWCCA puts on a VERY safe event. You will be in a beginner group driving with others on the track with your skill set. Passing will most likely be point by only if at all. You'll only go as fast as you're comfortable with. Relax and have fun!
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BMW CCA probably has by far the BEST track records with regards to on-track incidents. I've seen fewer accidents at the local Pacific Region events (and this includes the Golden Gate Chapter) in the last 10 years than I've seen in a typical day commute. Not saying they won't happen, but typically they happen to people who have alternative agendas to learning how to drive fast in a safe environment, or people who don't listen to the IN CAR instructors.

If you manage to do what those cars in the video did in your very first track event, especially with the BMW CCA? You probably don't belong in this sport.
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That is scary and I don't think your insurance will cover that!
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OP, don't sweat it man. BMWCCA puts on a VERY safe event. You will be in a beginner group driving with others on the track with your skill set. Passing will most likely be point by only if at all. You'll only go as fast as you're comfortable with. Relax and have fun!
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BMW CCA probably has by far the BEST track records with regards to on-track incidents. I've seen fewer accidents at the local Pacific Region events (and this includes the Golden Gate Chapter) in the last 10 years than I've seen in a typical day commute. Not saying they won't happen, but typically they happen to people who have alternative agendas to learning how to drive fast in a safe environment, or people who don't listen to the IN CAR instructors.

If you manage to do what those cars in the video did in your very first track event, especially with the BMW CCA? You probably don't belong in this sport.
What they said. GENERALLY speaking, it's a more mature group with the CCA and EVERY CAR has an instructor. You'd have to be an IDIOT to mess up a car in the "D" group.
Most of the accidents with the CCA are in the A group where guys are really pushing it. They'll tell you to keep your DSC on and it'll save your bacon, but honestly, as a beginner, you probably won't even activate it.

You can also get some track insurance if you're concerned.
It's a BLAST!!! I'll be there too- first time at that track for me. Hope to see you there.

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Being a bit scared is good. It will make you focus and not do anything stupid. Just don't try to drive at 10/10 and you will be fine.
+1. I always think about what could go wrong when I'm at the track. Which probably slows me down a bit. But that's good thing.
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I did my first track day last Thursday. I was a little nervous about it too. Just start with slow pace, learn the track and get visual cues. Listen your instructor carefully. Stay hydrated.
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Thanks for the vote of confidence guys. I have pretty decent car control at lower speeds. I've recovered countless oversteers at autox events and car control clinics. Taking corners coming from higher speeds is where my fears are. That along with the fact that I could potentially get hit by another car. But I guess that shouldn't be an issue in the beginner group.

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What they said. GENERALLY speaking, it's a more mature group with the CCA and EVERY CAR has an instructor. You'd have to be an IDIOT to mess up a car in the "D" group.
Most of the accidents with the CCA are in the A group where guys are really pushing it. They'll tell you to keep your DSC on and it'll save your bacon, but honestly, as a beginner, you probably won't even activate it.

You can also get some track insurance if you're concerned.
It's a BLAST!!! I'll be there too- first time at that track for me. Hope to see you there.

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Will you be getting track insurance? I'm thinking I won't need it in the beginner group if I don't have to worry so much about cars passing or me passing them. I'll look for your car!
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just remember when you go to the track, its nothing like autoX. You should just throw most of that out the door and start from scratch.

Actually i think the beginner group is one of the most dangerous groups. You never know when you get crazy ppl in there.
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This is exactly why a lot of us got annoyed by the post in the Photos/Video/Media section from the other day "Drifting M3, Instructor Doesn't Like." Some see this kind of thing as "cool" and "badass," but your above videos show the potential consequences.

Overall, it's a fantastic experience at a track day. Just learn to identify the idiots and stay away from them.
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you should be scared of idiots like that. Those are the type of people who think they are having fun, and cause accidents, and death.





this video shows exactly why fooling around like hanging the tail out for some "fun" is prohibited. The conception that "i know how to handle my car", nobody knows and even pros makes mistakes.
that last video was scary! damn - stay safe out there.
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just remember when you go to the track, its nothing like autoX. You should just throw most of that out the door and start from scratch.

Actually i think the beginner group is one of the most dangerous groups. You never know when you get crazy ppl in there.


Have you run with the CCA? They won't tolerate any of that, especially in the D group. You inevitably get behind some really slow person and it slows things down until you can get a point by.

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that last video was scary! damn - stay safe out there.
That guy was driving super aggressive since he got on the throttle when the Boxster lost the back end; looks like he was trying to blow by him. His car also has a full cage, so it's a totally different level of driving.

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OP - I highly recommend you take a look through each of the Track section Stickies.

While there is an extremely low probability of having an accident in the beginner's group with instructor, but if you want some peace of mind, I highly recommend OnTrackInsurance.com.

You'll have a blast and will sleep like a baby that night as the adrenaline wears off.
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