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      05-14-2011, 12:16 PM   #1
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Autoblog picks 1M over M3

I know this is already on the bimmerpost homepage, but I thought this was particularly interesting. Although I have no intention on buying a 1M Coupe (at least not this generation), I've always been a big proponent of it and coming from a 135i, had a feeling a 1 series M car would have the potential to be more fun to drive than the M3. Looks like the guys over at Autoblog feel that's the case:

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In terms of power, the 1M Coupe seems to pull harder immediately out of the corners. Then, the M3's V8 hits its sweet spot (and sings gloriously) as it takes charge. This was both good and bad the 1M Coupe would lose grip in the rear while the M3 kept the power down. While the brakes on the two vehicles are identical, those on the 1M Coupe are tasked with less weight, meaning they not only stop quicker but they absorb less heat. Thus, we found ourselves diving much deeper into the corners in the 1M Coupe.

The M3 also seems to have less understeer, possibly attributable to its longer wheelbase. It is slightly more stable mid-corner, but also harder to rotate. The difference in mass was obvious whether under acceleration, braking or during a transition. Lastly, the MDM software on the M3 seemed slightly less intrusive and more highly refined.

So, which of the two is quicker around Monticello's south course? The more agile 1M Coupe takes the corners, while the more powerful M3 takes the straights yet, overall, the pair are unbelievably close on this circuit. Lacking telemetry, we honestly don't know which is quicker. However, it is obvious that the new car is more engaging and more enjoyable to drive. Offered the choice between the two, seeking a weekend track racer that will see double-duty as a work commuter, we would take this new 1M Coupe over a BMW M3 Competition.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/13/2...-drive-review/

The only thing that seems off to me is this:

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The whole package weighs in at just 3,296 pounds. To put that into perspective, the new 1M Coupe is 77 pounds lighter than the current 135i Coupe and a full 408 pounds lighter than the benchmark M3 Coupe.
400lbs is a lot of weight. I didn't think there was that big of a difference. Could be wrong?

I know the M3 fanboys will chime in with the witty childish remarks about the 1M, but I think BMW has a winner here. So far the reviews have been very positive.
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more car for less money...its a win win
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more car for less money...its a win win
I wouldn't call it more car. You definitely get more with the M3. Just depends on what you are looking for.
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I wouldn't call it more car. You definitely get more with the M3. Just depends on what you are looking for.
ok...better performing car for less money....

i wonder if M3 sales will suffer now because of this
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ok...better performing car for less money....

i wonder if M3 sales will suffer now because of this
Well it's not better performing either. Most reviews seem to reveal they go head to head on smaller courses (6mt vs 6mt) and the M3 is still faster on tracks where it can stretch its legs. But with a measly $800 you can grab a good 80hp/torque with a simple software tune. I'm sure that will push the 1M coupe ahead in most cases.

I don't think M3 sales will suffer much if at all.
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1M is really for a different type of person. I don't think M3 will be affected by much...but 135i sales might.
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as for me, ive lusted for that M3 badge on my rear end ever since i got my learners permit 20 some years ago...regardless of how cheap or how good a M1 drives, theres no way im gonna give up two M's for it...next will be M5, M6, M7 etc..then move onto the "GT" letters...GT2, GT3...so on and so forth
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S65 > N54 any day.......the 1M is a great chassis no doubt but the motor, no thanks. It's definitely less car for less money
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S65 > N54 any day.......the 1M is a great chassis no doubt but the motor, no thanks. It's definitely less car for less money
What happens next generation when the 1M and M3 are both turbocharged?
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1M is really for a different type of person. I don't think M3 will be affected by much...but 135i sales might.
This ^^

Dr. Segler has been a lighting rod for criticism by many including myself, but he did get one thing right. The 1M targets a completely different demographic (i.e. those who cannot or choose not to pony up the bucks for an M3 yet want M'esque performance) from that targeted by the M3.

@ OP: I like both the 1M and M3; the M3 much more. The former would serve me well as a DD while the latter would be a non-DD ride. To each his own.
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More car? It is an entry-level M car.

All of it's good components come from the m3. Only a non-m owner would say something so wrong.
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Dr. Segler has been a lighting rod for criticism by many including myself, but he did get one thing right. The 1M targets a completely different demographic (i.e. those who cannot or choose not to pony up the bucks for an M3 yet want M'esque performance) from that targeted by the M3.

@ OP: I like both the 1M and M3; the M3 much more. The former would serve me well as a DD while the latter would be a non-DD ride. To each his own.
I like the M3 more overall as well. I adore the S65, love EDC, and the interior quality is much much nicer. But I'm guessing I'd have a bigger smile on my face driving the 1M Coupe around a track or through the mountains. It's kind of the nature of smaller, lighter, shorter-wheelbased cars.
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I might have chosen the 1M over the M3 if it been available back when I got my M3. I would have certainly missed the S65 but overall I think the 1M would be more to my liking. I will definitely keep my eye on the next-gen 1M although the turbocharged direction troubles me. If I'm going for a turbo BMW it won't be the next M3.
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What happens next generation when the 1M and M3 are both turbocharged?
No more BMWs for me....time to go to Porsche Just glad I got two of the last real Ms....you know the ones with the S designated motors......
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S65 > N54 any day.......the 1M is a great chassis no doubt but the motor, no thanks. It's definitely less car for less money
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I saw a AW 1M at the Cars and Coffee meet today in Irvine.

I like the red stitching on the leather seats and the shifter looks nice with the suede boot. A 6MT M3 you almost instantly have to change the shifter to a ZHP one since the M3 looks to long not sporty.

Overall the 1M is nice. But it looks like it is geared towards the younger crowd.
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... But it looks like it is geared towards the younger crowd.
Plus, it looks like a chihuahua w/ bulging eyes.
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depends on what you're looking for in a car.
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This is no different than the 911/Cayman debate.
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I got a chance to sit in one at Bimmerfest today. Leading up to the show, I was starting to feel the temptation of the 1M creeping up on me. That feeling is now gone.

The updated panels do a good job of masking the (in my opinion) ugly lines of the E82. I love the air curtains and intakes on the bumpers, and the car's stance is incredibly aggressive, but it still looks like a 1-series -- I have a hard time getting away from that. The interior is much cheaper than I thought it would be. I love the alcantara and the orange stitching, but there's way too much plastic on the inside, and the buttons for the AC and radio are of lower quality than the M3.

I appreciate the smaller size of the 1M and would actually prefer it over the M3's length. It seemed taller than my car, which coupled with the shorter length of the 1M really made it appear boxy and stubby -- again, it's hard for it to not look like a 1-series.

I didn't drive the car, but I'm sure it's more driveable as a DD than the M3 is. That said, there's no way I would give up the screaming S65 for a sputtering turbo. The 1M may be BMW's only true sports car in its lineup, but we drive an everyday supercar.
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I got a chance to sit in one at Bimmerfest today. Leading up to the show, I was starting to feel the temptation of the 1M creeping up on me. That feeling is now gone.

The updated panels do a good job of masking the (in my opinion) ugly lines of the E82. I love the air curtains and intakes on the bumpers, and the car's stance is incredibly aggressive, but it still looks like a 1-series -- I have a hard time getting away from that. The interior is much cheaper than I thought it would be. I love the alcantara and the orange stitching, but there's way too much plastic on the inside, and the buttons for the AC and radio are of lower quality than the M3.

I appreciate the smaller size of the 1M and would actually prefer it over the M3's length. It seemed taller than my car, which coupled with the shorter length of the 1M really made it appear boxy and stubby -- again, it's hard for it to not look like a 1-series.

I didn't drive the car, but I'm sure it's more driveable as a DD than the M3 is. That said, there's no way I would give up the screaming S65 for a sputtering turbo. The 1M may be BMW's only true sports car in its lineup, but we drive an everyday supercar.
One at the bimmerfest didn't have nav so I agree about the interior. The climate control buttons look very cheap. But Nav equipped 1M would be different story. I don't understand why BMW brought 1M w/o nav unit. Maybe wanted to market to track junkies?
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I got a chance to sit in one at Bimmerfest today. Leading up to the show, I was starting to feel the temptation of the 1M creeping up on me. That feeling is now gone.

The updated panels do a good job of masking the (in my opinion) ugly lines of the E82. I love the air curtains and intakes on the bumpers, and the car's stance is incredibly aggressive, but it still looks like a 1-series -- I have a hard time getting away from that. The interior is much cheaper than I thought it would be. I love the alcantara and the orange stitching, but there's way too much plastic on the inside, and the buttons for the AC and radio are of lower quality than the M3.

I appreciate the smaller size of the 1M and would actually prefer it over the M3's length. It seemed taller than my car, which coupled with the shorter length of the 1M really made it appear boxy and stubby -- again, it's hard for it to not look like a 1-series.

I didn't drive the car, but I'm sure it's more driveable as a DD than the M3 is. That said, there's no way I would give up the screaming S65 for a sputtering turbo. The 1M may be BMW's only true sports car in its lineup, but we drive an everyday supercar.

Really well put. To me the 1 series, M included, is ugly, period.
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