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      05-11-2011, 10:34 AM   #1
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NCC Driving School 6/25/11 - Shenandoah Circuit

The NCC Shenandoah School is still only $185/day!

The National Capital Chapter (NCC) operates two types of driving schools: Drivers' Schools and Car Control Clinics. While the methods of instruction and the target audience for these schools differ, they share a common goal of giving you the opportunity to develop and improve your skills as a driver and to strengthen your knowledge of your car's abilities so that you will be prepared for any situation you may encounter on the highway.

Our schools are not racing schools. Our focus is on skills, not speed, and our overriding concern is with your safety and that of your car. We select our school instructors very carefully, not simply for their technical knowledge and accomplishments as drivers, but also for their abilities to impart that knowledge to their students in a clear, concise, and professional manner.

Your BMW is an amazingly capable car. At a National Capital Chapter driving school, you will be able to realize your car's capabilities, learn the limits of those capabilities under controlled conditions and practice the skills needed to control your car safely within those limits.

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The primary goal of these schools is to develop and hone your car-control skills. It is not to drive fast, although speed will come with improving skills. We seek to produce not necessarily the fastest, but the most proficient drivers possible.

Each drivers' school consists of driving sessions on the track and at the skidpad, as well as classroom sessions. During your on-track sessions, you will be driving the full track at progressively higher speeds throughout the school. An in-car instructor will work with you to help you improve your driving mechanics. Braking, cornering and accelerating techniques are refined continuously during your on-track sessions.

Skidpad sessions will allow you to begin to master the skill of controlling your car at the limits of adhesion. You will learn how to control understeer (when your front tires lose adhesion) and oversteer (when your rear tires lose adhesion). The skills learned here will not only be invaluable on the track, they may well save your car - and your life - on the highway.

Classroom sessions present the underlying mechanics of your car's behavior and how your inputs as a driver affect it. We present basic driving theory, the physics of car behavior (i.e., the "why it works" of driving) and discussions of the techniques of advanced car control.

No single drivers' school will ever convey all there is to learn about driving. In this sense, our drivers' schools are part of a continuous learning environment, one that requires several years of attendance at dozens of schools before proficiency is attained. Even at that, there is always something more to learn, something additional on which to work. Acquiring driving skills is a process that is never completed.

About Our Instructors
Our instructors come from two basic driving backgrounds: accomplished drivers' school students and successful amateur (e.g., SCCA) racers. Regardless of their backgrounds, our instructors conform to a uniformly high standard of competence, professionalism and enthusiasm for teaching.

Candidates selected from our student roster have a documented record of achievement. Candidates applying from a racing background must have comparable skills and experience. We note that the requirements for a successful racer and those for a successful instructor are not necessarily the same, as the sole ability to drive fast is about the most minor qualification we seek in an instructor. Therefore, as part of the qualification process, we apply a series of student instruction simulations (using our instructors as the "students") to ensure that the candidate understands not only how to drive, but how to teach as well. We also ensure that candidates display impeccable attitude and driving etiquette and are successful in making the transition from "race-mode" to "school-mode."

Our current instructors' driving experience ranges from five years to twenty-five years. Our "average" instructor has been driving on the track for 11.5 years and has been instructing for 6 years. We draw our instructors from twelve BMW CCA chapters, the SCCA, PCA, and other marque clubs. We select our instructors very carefully to ensure that every student receives the best possible instruction from the safest, most professional and most knowledgeable people we can find. We are very proud of our instructor corps and we trust that you will share that pride.


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      05-11-2011, 10:37 AM   #2
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For those who have never been on the track, here's your opportunity!

Our driving schools are open to members only, and you won't find a better deal around for Summit Point. Plus, the Shenandoah is super fun to drive!!!

A lot of our instructors also have M3s, everything for e30s to e92s.
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anyone going to this? looks interesting

is this track safe for beginner? lol
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I definitely want to go, but have to get new tires and not sure if I want to torch them right away. Went to the school on the main circuit in October, and it was unbelievable. Definitely safe for a beginner.
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anyone going to this? looks interesting

is this track safe for beginner? lol
I just signed up for Sunday.
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I definitely want to go, but have to get new tires and not sure if I want to torch them right away. Went to the school on the main circuit in October, and it was unbelievable. Definitely safe for a beginner.
Get a tire that is more suited for the track and you should be fine. I run NT05's, alot cheaper than PS2's and will wear much better.
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i am still on my OEM tires but its got like 75% treads left i think

okay for the track?
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anyone going to this? looks interesting

is this track safe for beginner? lol
All 3 tracks at Summit Point are great for beginners. Everyone will be placed into groups depending on track experience, so don't worry about getting run over by anyone

Our driving schools are top notch with many experienced instructors. They know exactly how to communicate with all levels of drivers, and they also like to have fun too!!!

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i am still on my OEM tires but its got like 75% treads left i think

okay for the track?
75% is fine, but the bigger question is your brakes. You'll need to get a track inspection and most flush their brake fluid and change to new pads for the track. Not a requirement (except for the track inspection), but better safe than sorry.
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I just signed up for Sunday.
I assume you have track experience? You learn the most on Saturdays and Sundays are for reinforcement. Personally I think you're missing the most important day.
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I assume you have track experience? You learn the most on Saturdays and Sundays are for reinforcement. Personally I think you're missing the most important day.
I have office hours on Saturdays which is why I only signed up for Sunday. I have been to VIR a few times and to Summit once, as well as one day M school. If this does not suffice then please let me know sooner than later so i can cancel.
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I have office hours on Saturdays which is why I only signed up for Sunday. I have been to VIR a few times and to Summit once, as well as one day M school. If this does not suffice then please let me know sooner than later so i can cancel.
Sounds good to me. Have fun!
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i will go if i can find a friend to go with
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I definitely want to go, but have to get new tires and not sure if I want to torch them right away. Went to the school on the main circuit in October, and it was unbelievable. Definitely safe for a beginner.
Come on Carl, tires are replaceable, experiences will last a lifetime. Get on the track as a test for the next Pie Run
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gas better not be like $5 by mid june, lmao
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Come on Carl, tires are replaceable, experiences will last a lifetime. Get on the track as a test for the next Pie Run
I know, I know. After last October, I said I was going to do all three schools this year. I definitely want to do one of the other circuits for sure, so chances are I will find a way to make this happen.

I haven't been on a spirited drive since last Fall, so I'm also looking forward to a Pie Run soon hopefully!
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I should be in for this.
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Out of curiosity, do any of you purchase track insurance for these events?
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Out of curiosity, do any of you purchase track insurance for these events?
some people do, most don't b/c it aint cheap. just like regular car insurance, its based on the value of your car so a newer e90/e92 M3 could cost more than the HPDE. however, for the people I know that's filed a claim, its worth every penny.

BMWCCA members get a discounted rate through Lockton b/c of many years of running safe events:

http://www.bmwcca.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4709
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some people do, most don't b/c it aint cheap. just like regular car insurance, its based on the value of your car so a newer e90/e92 M3 could cost more than the HPDE. however, for the people I know that's filed a claim, its worth every penny.

BMWCCA members get a discounted rate through Lockton b/c of many years of running safe events:

http://www.bmwcca.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4709
Thanks, that was very helpful. Not sure if I'll do it, but it seems like a good idea just in case...
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Thanks, that was very helpful. Not sure if I'll do it, but it seems like a good idea just in case...
You will be fine, instructors will keep you out of trouble, keep the traction control on, drive within your comfort level and watch out for hotheads.
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You will be fine, instructors will keep you out of trouble, keep the traction control on, drive within your comfort level and watch out for hotheads.
+1 just remember slow in, fast out, especially on the turns before the straightaway.

Shenandoah is probably the funnest (is that a word?) and most technical track at SP. Hopefully no one will try to pass others on the Karussell
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+1 just remember slow in, fast out, especially on the turns before the straightaway.

Shenandoah is probably the funnest (is that a word?) and most technical track at SP. Hopefully no one will try to pass others on the Karussell
Yeah, I enjoyed it and did well last Fall, so I'm not really concerned. Just wanted to see if most people were also taking the risk.
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