BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > M3 (E90 / E92 / E93) > General M3 Forum (E90 + E92 + E93)
 
ESS Tuning
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      07-09-2011, 12:15 PM   #1
gr8one88
tru blu
 
Drives: 2005 Individual M3 ESTYblau
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Wheaton, Il

Posts: 215
iTrader: (0)

E46 v e9x m3

Why is the e46 lightly modded just so so so sooooo much more fun to drive?!?!? It is so much more pure and raw of an enthusiast experience! When they are taken care of properly they ar more of a head turner than the e9x too. I know this is a forum of users obsessed with the buttons on the e9x and I love the e9x for it's motor and advanced technology. But for fun it just isn't close to a good e46 m3. Does anyone else feel this way? This goes for the e39 as well. However the new f10 m5 is pretty cool... M3 is just supposed to be the less luxurious fun car and the m5 is supposed to be the badassss executive saloon with cool technology but can beat anything out there. I'd like to see the line between the m3 and m5 less blured aka m3 lighter less buttons more of a pure everyday driver and racer. The m5 is good where it's at the m3 needs to distance itself from the m5.









lol to #4

Last edited by gr8one88; 07-12-2011 at 09:52 AM.
gr8one88 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-09-2011, 12:22 PM   #2
gthal
Colonel
 
gthal's Avatar
 
Drives: 2015 M4
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Canada

Posts: 2,864
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2011 M3  [3.37]
Quote:
Originally Posted by gr8one88 View Post
Why is the e46 lightly modded just so so so sooooo much more fun to drive?!?!? It is so much more pure and raw of an enthusiast experience! When they are taken care of properly they ar more of a head turner than the e9x too. I know this is a forum of users obsessed with the buttons on the e9x and I love the e9x for it's motor and advanced technology. But for fun it just isn't close to a good e46 m3. Does anyone else feel this way? This goes for the e39 as well. However the new f10 m5 is pretty cool... M3 is just supposed to be the less luxurious fun car and the m5 is supposed to be the badassss executive saloon with cool technology but can beat anything out there. I'd like to see the line between the m3 and m5 less blured aka m3 lighter less buttons more of a pure everyday driver and racer. The m5 is good where it's at the m3 needs to distance itself from the m5.
Fun to drive... subjective... E46 is more raw but I wouldn't say more fun. To me, enjoying the greatly improved performance in all respects is more fun than simply driving a "raw" car but, again, that is subjective and only my opinion. Now an E46 CSL is a special car.

Head turner... subjective... E46 is very nice looking but looks dated and no where near as nice as the E92.

Obsessed with buttons... didn't know we were all like that. Thanks for enlightening us on that point.
__________________
2015 Austin Yellow M4 | Black Full Merino Leather | DCT
2014 Corvette Stingray | Z51 | Torch Red | 7MT - Sold
2012 C63 Coupe | Performance package | Obsidian Black - Sold
2011 E92 M3 | Jerez Black | Fox Red | DCT | Competition Package - Sold
gthal is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      07-09-2011, 12:34 PM   #3
Rshane
M-Flight Member
 
Rshane's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 E92 M3
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Tampa, FL

Posts: 1,086
iTrader: (0)

__________________
2011 Le Mans Blue M3// Black extended Novillo w/ Blue Grey Aluminum trim/DCT/ZTP/ZCW/ZPP/ZCP Premium Sound ///Akrapovic Evolution Exhaust

2012 Le Mans Blue 135i M Pkg DCT
2013 Ford F150 FX4 Supercrew
Rshane is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-09-2011, 12:43 PM   #4
sameh
Major
 
sameh's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 E92 M3 DCT JetBlk
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: NC

Posts: 1,466
iTrader: (0)

After reading your post I couldn't even look at my 2011 E92. I drove it and didn't hear the S65 nor the exhaust at 8400RPM. I drifted a 90• corner at high speed but nothing seems to satisfy my "button obsessed" mind. I flicked through my 7 gears with that DCT thing, first 3 gears WOT and even that continuous pulling didn't do it for me. I'm selling it for a "lightly modded" E46. Thanks
__________________
2011 E92 BatMobile JtBlk/Blk/Blk CF
sameh is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-09-2011, 12:53 PM   #5
M3ryder55
Major
 
Drives: 15' MW/SO ETA August
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Chatsworth, CA

Posts: 1,090
iTrader: (2)

In my family, there is 6 boys. 4 of us have M3's currently. #5 is on the way

2 98 E36's 5 speeds. Not mine, but those things were epic at the time. I was just a youngin back than, and to me that thing was like a super car with the vaders. The obsession started.

4 E46 M3's, 3 6mts 02, 02, 05, and now currently a comp package 05 smg belongs to one of the other brothers. Special special car. One of my all time favorites. Classic design, has aged so well and and just a sexy car. That thing was an absolute blast and I feel like I've been around that car forever. never owned one, but know all about it and and what its about. Since December 2001 till now.

3 E9x M3's currently belong to me and 2 of the others. You have to realize BMW is not stupid. They know what their doing. I'm just in denial that this is the last "real M3" but I'm sure the next gen will out do it. However I am content with that. I have a E90 DCT with all the nuts and bolts... and I really don't think it could get better in terms of how it performs in pretty much stock form now. The DCT is on another level. Even my brothers with 13 plus years of driving M3's with manuals say this tranny is special. The sound of the V8 is epic, absolutely epic. The ONE BIG COMPLAINT i have with this current gen M3 is the layout of the inside. The cupholders are an Epic fail, I feel like the e46 layout was much much better, and the seats of the E46 are much more "fatty" friendly.
oki
So in a nut shell I see where your coming from, but the E9x is far superior in every aspect. Not saying the E46 is a slouch because it certainly is not, their just two very different cars, with the same heritage. And the next generation will more than likely blow all of these previous ones out of the water. Thats just how the cookie cumbles
M3ryder55 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-09-2011, 01:11 PM   #6
radiantm3
Apex Everything!
 
radiantm3's Avatar
 
Drives: >1000 HP in my garage
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Danville, CA

Posts: 3,766
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2011 E92 M3  [4.80]
2013 BMW X5M  [4.33]
OP comes off a bit trollish. You can say the same thing about each generation M3. The E46 is less raw and less of an enthusiast car than the E36. And the E36 is less raw than the E30. But each successor was arguably better than the previous. And lets not start comparing modded vs stock again.
__________________
(1:40 @ Laguna Seca, 2:03 @ Thunderhill, 1:52 @ Infineon)
radiantm3 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-09-2011, 01:23 PM   #7
klammer
Brigadier General
 
Drives: 11 spc gry m3 e90, 07 X5
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: chicago

Posts: 3,232
iTrader: (0)

My Model T was more "involving" than my E9x and way more simplistic... Hate all these faster/safer cars
__________________
mods: akra evo, dinan 3.45 diff, ess akra tune, dinan stg.3, Alcon bbk, HRE P40
klammer is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-09-2011, 03:03 PM   #8
Alex@Autocouture
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor

 
Alex@Autocouture's Avatar
 
Drives: E30 M3, E92 Frozen GTS
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Ny

Posts: 3,324
iTrader: (9)

Garage List
2011.75 E90 BMW M3  [3.83]
2011 bmw/ m3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by klammer View Post
My Model T was more "involving" than my E9x and way more simplistic... Hate all these faster/safer cars
got one in my garage right now... what other car comes with giant woooden spoke wheels, a rag top, all steel body, thats some raw shit, so raw it only came in one color
__________________
AUTOcouture Motoring | 15-01 Pollitt Drive St. 6, Fair Lawn NJ 07410
201.666.3500 | Alex@autocouturemotoring.com
Alex@Autocouture is online now  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-09-2011, 06:09 PM   #9
Denk
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Drives: E92 M3 ZCP
Join Date: May 2011
Location: PNW

Posts: 1,858
iTrader: (2)

coming from an e46, my e92 is so much more car. I don't miss the barbaric SMG that's for sure. My e92 is so much more refined/improved upon in all aspects which definitely puts a bigger grin on my face.
e46=, e92=
Denk is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-09-2011, 06:28 PM   #10
sameh
Major
 
sameh's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 E92 M3 DCT JetBlk
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: NC

Posts: 1,466
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wall$treet View Post
Posters like this really have no purpose except to antagonize. I completely agree with calling people out or antagonizing if it is called for or related but this guy is an e46 owner who randomly posts a post on the e90 board about how he likes the e46 better? Just is the wrong place to post it. That belongs on the e46 forum.

Not that I care and that is your opinion but by posting it here it shows you have more of a "lets be a troll and screw with them" mindset than realy wanting any nice debate about the topic.
I see it the same, that's why I posted a sarcastic comment before. But come to think if it. I doubt that any E9x owner (even the trolls) would go to an E46 forum and post saying, how E9x is much better than their E46. Wonder why the E46/E9x trolling is a one way street?? Envy?
__________________
2011 E92 BatMobile JtBlk/Blk/Blk CF
sameh is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-09-2011, 07:24 PM   #11
FVM3
Major General
 
FVM3's Avatar
 
Drives: e92 m3, f30 328i
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Los Angeles

Posts: 5,711
iTrader: (2)

fun is subjective
FVM3 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-09-2011, 07:29 PM   #12
lve2xlr8
Captain
 
lve2xlr8's Avatar
 
Drives: '11 e92 M3 MW ZCP DCT
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: OC

Posts: 817
iTrader: (7)

Yes the e39 with it's recirculating ball steering was sooo fun
__________________
'11 M3
'00 M5 - Sold
'08 335i w/m3 conversion - Sold
lve2xlr8 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-09-2011, 09:32 PM   #13
Radiation Joe
Veni Vidi Vici
 
Radiation Joe's Avatar
 
Drives: '11 JB/BBe-6sp-e90
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Macungie PA

Posts: 2,749
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2011 e90 M3-Sold  [4.25]
2003 RS6 - Sold  [0.00]
2009 e90 M3 - Gone  [0.00]
2003 M3 SOLD  [0.00]
old 2002  [5.00]
Go ahead and call anyone who isn't an e9x M3 driver a troll. That's a fanboy's prerogative. But the OP speaks the truth.

You all just keep on reading magazines and quoting specs. I owned an e46 M3 and am on my second e90 M3. No doubt the e9x M3s are better cars than the e46 M3s. However, they are bland and nowhere near as engaging as the e46 was. After both are obsolete (not too far into the future, BTW) it will be the damned fun e46 that collectors will want not the generic e9x.
__________________

Dinan compliment of stuff plus PF rotors and RG63s. Enough for now.
Why, yes. I am an abrasive bastard.
Radiation Joe is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-09-2011, 10:01 PM   #14
SUB-ZERO
Lieutenant Colonel
 
SUB-ZERO's Avatar
 
Drives: 2008 997TT Arctic Silver
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: VA

Posts: 1,562
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Radiation Joe View Post
Go ahead and call anyone who isn't an e9x M3 driver a troll. That's a fanboy's prerogative. But the OP speaks the truth.

You all just keep on reading magazines and quoting specs. I owned an e46 M3 and am on my second e90 M3. No doubt the e9x M3s are better cars than the e46 M3s. However, they are bland and nowhere near as engaging as the e46 was. After both are obsolete (not too far into the future, BTW) it will be the damned fun e46 that collectors will want not the generic e9x.
A Ferari 355 is much more raw than a 360 and a 360 is much more raw than a 458. The 458 is probably one of Ferraris best cars ever. Get the point?

It's called progressive refinement. More raw does not equal better. I can see how one can feel nostalgic about an e46 m3, but it is no comparison to an e9x series. An e92 is many times over more refined, uses better materials inside and out, is faster in a straight line, on a track, brakes better, is a better DD, looks more aggressive yet sophisticated, is more reliable and by BMWs own admission, the best m3 they have ever developed. The engine alone is a crown jewel of BMW engineering.

-SZ
SUB-ZERO is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-09-2011, 11:15 PM   #15
radiantm3
Apex Everything!
 
radiantm3's Avatar
 
Drives: >1000 HP in my garage
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Danville, CA

Posts: 3,766
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2011 E92 M3  [4.80]
2013 BMW X5M  [4.33]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Radiation Joe View Post
Go ahead and call anyone who isn't an e9x M3 driver a troll. That's a fanboy's prerogative. But the OP speaks the truth.

You all just keep on reading magazines and quoting specs. I owned an e46 M3 and am on my second e90 M3. No doubt the e9x M3s are better cars than the e46 M3s. However, they are bland and nowhere near as engaging as the e46 was. After both are obsolete (not too far into the future, BTW) it will be the damned fun e46 that collectors will want not the generic e9x.
I'm sorry, but regardless of whether he speaks the truth or not, it's called trolling. If I go to a gay forum and make a post about how heterosexual sex is so much more raw and a better experience, I'm trolling no matter how right I am.
__________________
(1:40 @ Laguna Seca, 2:03 @ Thunderhill, 1:52 @ Infineon)
radiantm3 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-10-2011, 12:07 AM   #16
rjd598
Brigadier General
 
rjd598's Avatar
 
Drives: 10' M3
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: San Diego,CA

Posts: 4,538
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2010 BMW M3  [4.50]
1999 BMW M3  [0.00]
Troooooooooooooooooooooool
__________________
rjd598 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-10-2011, 02:41 AM   #17
indohan
///MFEST DARK KNIGHT
 
Drives: JDM
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Los Angeles, CA

Posts: 178
iTrader: (1)

OP was just trying a start discussion on whether E46 is more fun to drive than E9x.
I think he was just stating his opinion regarding the cars.
We never know if he drove both cars or not.
Neither we know that each of you who said E9x is better have driven E46 or not.
He even mentioned E39, which is true. E39 is the game changer in my book.
Chillax, fellas.

If you call this "troll", how about those little girls who create douche bag threads?
If you disagree with this thread, maybe you guys should think whether the topic you're about to discuss should belong to Twitter or this forum.
O yeah, rants belong to Twitter, not forum.
__________________
indohan is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      07-10-2011, 04:58 AM   #18
gthal
Colonel
 
gthal's Avatar
 
Drives: 2015 M4
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Canada

Posts: 2,864
iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2011 M3  [3.37]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Radiation Joe View Post
Go ahead and call anyone who isn't an e9x M3 driver a troll. That's a fanboy's prerogative. But the OP speaks the truth.

You all just keep on reading magazines and quoting specs. I owned an e46 M3 and am on my second e90 M3. No doubt the e9x M3s are better cars than the e46 M3s. However, they are bland and nowhere near as engaging as the e46 was. After both are obsolete (not too far into the future, BTW) it will be the damned fun e46 that collectors will want not the generic e9x.
I don't think the responses in this thread are based on people being fanboys (not to say that doesn't happen a lot). It is because the OP writes in a manner to get people worked up...

Quote:
Originally Posted by gr8one88 View Post
Why is the e46 lightly modded just so so so sooooo much more fun to drive?!?!? It is so much more pure and raw of an enthusiast experience! When they are taken care of properly they ar more of a head turner than the e9x too. I know this is a forum of users obsessed with the buttons on the e9x and I love the e9x for it's motor and advanced technology.
If you are trying to have a meaningful discussion on the two cars (for the millionth time) then you don't write like the OP does above because all it does is piss people off and come off as insulting. You only write this way to antagonize people or you are simply just clueless on how to engage people in a useful discussion. Let's see, start a comparison thread by throwing out a blanket insult to one of the cars you want to discuss... that is troll work only. I would bet he could have come here and posted a similar thread that was worded in a way that would have had a meaningful discussion and not the responses he received. He comes across like a troll and people call it for how they see it.

If I went on a Ferrari forum and said "Hi guys... I know that all of you buy Ferrari's because money is no object and you like the image but I think the M3 is a better value because..." I think I would get a similar response.

Last edited by gthal; 07-10-2011 at 05:04 AM.
gthal is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      07-10-2011, 09:22 AM   #19
gr8one88
tru blu
 
Drives: 2005 Individual M3 ESTYblau
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Wheaton, Il

Posts: 215
iTrader: (0)

You said it perfectly

I too fell in love threw an e36 and I was young at the time as well. My e46 was in the shop for a few weeks and just getting it back was like falling in love all over. The v8 and the dct of the e9x is no doubt the best attribute of the model. I did actually notice how well the e46 seemed to be layer out the other day funny you said that! The only point I was trying to get across really was that the m3 and m5 should distance themselves from each other a little. I can appreciate every M model for it's strong points. Constructive criticism was my intention. Obviousy the e9x is epic in it's own. But I feel the e46 does it in a more exciting way for me








Quote:
Originally Posted by M3ryder55 View Post
In my family, there is 6 boys. 4 of us have M3's currently. #5 is on the way

2 98 E36's 5 speeds. Not mine, but those things were epic at the time. I was just a youngin back than, and to me that thing was like a super car with the vaders. The obsession started.

4 E46 M3's, 3 6mts 02, 02, 05, and now currently a comp package 05 smg belongs to one of the other brothers. Special special car. One of my all time favorites. Classic design, has aged so well and and just a sexy car. That thing was an absolute blast and I feel like I've been around that car forever. never owned one, but know all about it and and what its about. Since December 2001 till now.

3 E9x M3's currently belong to me and 2 of the others. You have to realize BMW is not stupid. They know what their doing. I'm just in denial that this is the last "real M3" but I'm sure the next gen will out do it. However I am content with that. I have a E90 DCT with all the nuts and bolts... and I really don't think it could get better in terms of how it performs in pretty much stock form now. The DCT is on another level. Even my brothers with 13 plus years of driving M3's with manuals say this tranny is special. The sound of the V8 is epic, absolutely epic. The ONE BIG COMPLAINT i have with this current gen M3 is the layout of the inside. The cupholders are an Epic fail, I feel like the e46 layout was much much better, and the seats of the E46 are much more "fatty" friendly.
oki
So in a nut shell I see where your coming from, but the E9x is far superior in every aspect. Not saying the E46 is a slouch because it certainly is not, their just two very different cars, with the same heritage. And the next generation will more than likely blow all of these previous ones out of the water. Thats just how the cookie cumbles
gr8one88 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-10-2011, 09:24 AM   #20
gr8one88
tru blu
 
Drives: 2005 Individual M3 ESTYblau
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Wheaton, Il

Posts: 215
iTrader: (0)

Keyword refined? Not always fun Mercedes and Lexus are refined


Quote:
Originally Posted by Denk View Post
coming from an e46, my e92 is so much more car. I don't miss the barbaric SMG that's for sure. My e92 is so much more refined/improved upon in all aspects which definitely puts a bigger grin on my face.
e46=, e92=
gr8one88 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-10-2011, 09:33 AM   #21
gr8one88
tru blu
 
Drives: 2005 Individual M3 ESTYblau
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Wheaton, Il

Posts: 215
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Radiation Joe View Post
Go ahead and call anyone who isn't an e9x M3 driver a troll. That's a fanboy's prerogative. But the OP speaks the truth.

You all just keep on reading magazines and quoting specs. I owned an e46 M3 and am on my second e90 M3. No doubt the e9x M3s are better cars than the e46 M3s. However, they are bland and nowhere near as engaging as the e46 was. After both are obsolete (not too far into the future, BTW) it will be the damned fun e46 that collectors will want not the generic e9x.
This is what I was getting act not trying to provoke lol. I hear the same thing from many e9x drivers. Fun equals more engaging for most....not 3 10ths of a second quicker at the cost of 300 lbs. The most fun time you have in your car is whe. You are on a drive alone on a cool morning/night....when you take 1 or 2 friends for a ride you can notice how it is weighed down and slower....this is the same effect with the extra weight of an e9x when I drive them it just isnt as raw
gr8one88 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      07-10-2011, 09:37 AM   #22
gr8one88
tru blu
 
Drives: 2005 Individual M3 ESTYblau
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Wheaton, Il

Posts: 215
iTrader: (0)

Did I say better.....nope I said more fun yup. You act like the e9x is significantly faster but it's not. Dct is fast the s65 is awesome end of story
P.s. Again with the refinement.....






QUOTE=SUB-ZERO;9990686]A Ferari 355 is much more raw than a 360 and a 360 is much more raw than a 458. The 458 is probably one of Ferraris best cars ever. Get the point?

It's called progressive refinement. More raw does not equal better. I can see how one can feel nostalgic about an e46 m3, but it is no comparison to an e9x series. An e92 is many times over more refined, uses better materials inside and out, is faster in a straight line, on a track, brakes better, is a better DD, looks more aggressive yet sophisticated, is more reliable and by BMWs own admission, the best m3 they have ever developed. The engine alone is a crown jewel of BMW engineering.

-SZ[/quote]

Last edited by gr8one88; 07-10-2011 at 09:43 AM.
gr8one88 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:05 PM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST