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      03-09-2017, 01:40 PM   #1
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Daily Driver Tires

Hey guys...I'm looking for feedback/experiences from anyone that daily drives their E9X and uses AS tires.

I'm picking up a 2011 ZCP E90 at the end of the month and I am considering running Michelin Pilot AS/3+, BFG Comp 2 AS, or in Conti ExtremeContact DWS 06...in 255/275. Car is currently on PSSs.

FWIW, I do have a set of 18" M-Par reps that I could use for winter wheels, instead.

Thoughts on one tire/wheel set-up to "rule them all".

No track will be involved...I have an ex-ITS E36 rotting away in the garage if I want to return to the track.

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      03-09-2017, 06:45 PM   #2
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Hey guys...I'm looking for feedback/experiences from anyone that daily drives their E9X and uses AS tires.

I'm picking up a 2011 ZCP E90 at the end of the month and I am considering running Michelin Pilot AS/3+, BFG Comp 2 AS, or in Conti ExtremeContact DWS 06...in 255/275. Car is currently on PSSs.

FWIW, I do have a set of 18" M-Par reps that I could use for winter wheels, instead.

Thoughts on one tire/wheel set-up to "rule them all".

No track will be involved...I have an ex-ITS E36 rotting away in the garage if I want to return to the track.

TIA
-Mark in St. Louis
I'm running Michelin A/s in my ZCP rims. They are gonna last forever. I'm tirerack they had the best reviews compared to others in class and will last a long time with the 500 TW rating.
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      03-09-2017, 07:48 PM   #3
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What's your general opinion/experience of them?

Being in California, what prompted you to choose AS tires?

Did you get the A/S 3 or A/S 3+ ?

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I'm running Michelin A/s in my ZCP rims. They are gonna last forever. I'm tirerack they had the best reviews compared to others in class and will last a long time with the 500 TW rating.
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      03-09-2017, 07:51 PM   #4
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What's your general opinion/experience of them?

Being in California, what prompted you to choose AS tires?

Did you get the A/S 3 or A/S 3+ ?

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I'm running Michelin A/s in my ZCP rims. They are gonna last forever. I'm tirerack they had the best reviews compared to others in class and will last a long time with the 500 TW rating.
So I got them to DD on. I have another set of wheels with nt01s for the track. I'm also moving to Rhode Island this fall so I figured to buy these over MPSS. They are A/S IIRC.
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      03-09-2017, 08:35 PM   #5
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Ad08r's are perfectly fine in violent rain, maybe not so much in snow...but who drives a m3 in the snow.
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      03-09-2017, 08:41 PM   #6
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Ad08r's are perfectly fine in violent rain, maybe not so much in snow...but who drives a m3 in the snow.
A lot of people like me drive their m3 in the snow

Btw, all-season tires aren't going to do anything in the snow if you are expecting any. For daily street drive, ad08r is more than enough.
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      03-09-2017, 09:10 PM   #7
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Not bad at all! I also have dedicated winter setup when it snows and accumulates enough.
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      03-09-2017, 09:14 PM   #8
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A\s 3+ Love. Quiet with good grip
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      03-09-2017, 10:36 PM   #9
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I really like my Bridgestone Pole Positions, I got 30k miles out of the rears and the fronts probably have another 10k. They are quiet, decent grip.
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      03-10-2017, 12:11 AM   #10
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Not someone who lives in SoCal!

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Ad08r's are perfectly fine in violent rain, maybe not so much in snow...but who drives a m3 in the snow.
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      03-10-2017, 12:15 AM   #11
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A lot of people like me drive their m3 in the snow

Btw, all-season tires aren't going to do anything in the snow if you are expecting any. For daily street drive, ad08r is more than enough.
I'm in St. Louis and we don't often get "real" snow. This weekend is calling for 1-3 inches...We'll see.

Right now we have a '13 X3 and and '06 530xiT...I plan on selling one of them after the M3 arrives...up to the wife which one.

It's nice to have the xdrives on the rare snowstorms...but...I would rather have something "interesting" to drive the other 99% of the time...hence the A/S question.

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      03-21-2017, 09:54 AM   #12
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if you already have winter wheels available, don't even consider AS tires. Put proper winter tires on that set and proper summers on the other. AS are louder, heavier, nad ride worse than proper sport tires for either season. They don't last that much longer either.

I did try AS based on a recommendation here, and they were worthless in winter and annoying in summer. I replaced them with Blizzak lm-60 for the winters and PSS for summer. PS4 is now an option there.
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      03-21-2017, 09:19 PM   #13
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I would have had ZERO use for true winter tires this year in St. Louis, FWIW.

I was referring to using the 18s with AS tires, as well.

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if you already have winter wheels available, don't even consider AS tires. Put proper winter tires on that set and proper summers on the other. AS are louder, heavier, nad ride worse than proper sport tires for either season. They don't last that much longer either.

I did try AS based on a recommendation here, and they were worthless in winter and annoying in summer. I replaced them with Blizzak lm-60 for the winters and PSS for summer. PS4 is now an option there.
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      03-21-2017, 09:40 PM   #14
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I would have had ZERO use for true winter tires this year in St. Louis, FWIW.

I was referring to using the 18s with AS tires, as well.

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This winter is over, but I was under the impression it got colder than 45 degrees there, snow or not. AS tires are not good daily driving tires for this car in any season. Put some AS on your second set, then, and do a direct comparison with your PSS.

I didn't recommend a spiked snow tire, I recommended high performance winter sport tires that remain tacky at low temperature.
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      03-21-2017, 10:29 PM   #15
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Why do you feel an AS tire wouldn't make a good daily-driver, in non-snow winter conditions?

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This winter is over, but I was under the impression it got colder than 45 degrees there, snow or not. AS tires are not good daily driving tires for this car in any season. Put some AS on your second set, then, and do a direct comparison with your PSS.

I didn't recommend a spiked snow tire, I recommended high performance winter sport tires that remain tacky at low temperature.
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      03-22-2017, 03:52 AM   #16
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Because the all-season has to target all seasons - the jack of all trades is a master of none. The all seasons will not grip as well or offer as good a ride as the blizzak or equivalent winter tire. Get even a dusting of snow or ice and your RWD car will not want to start uphill in traffic.

You can buy two sets of tires that last 2-3 years because they are not used all year, and get the best of both worlds, or you buy one set that lasts half as long and steals all your joy of driving. How much time do you have behind the wheel of one of these?
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      03-22-2017, 08:01 AM   #17
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The Michelin pilot sport AS gets very good reviews for dry handling. It is the only AS that I would consider. But I have 2 sets of wheels for each car, even the AWD car, and run snows in winter and summers the other 3 seasons.
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Get even a dusting of snow or ice and your RWD car will not want to start uphill in traffic.
A/S 3+ had no trouble in the recent snow we just had.
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      03-22-2017, 10:16 AM   #19
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I lived on a hill when I had the pilot sport all seasons on my winter wheels. I had to wait for plows, and salt, and sand, and possibly a push, even with 200 pounds of sand over the rear axle. It was pathetic.

Clearly some have had better luck, or they wouldn't be recommended at all, but there really is no comparison. As a daily driver you don't want to take chances and you don't want annoying tire noise or compromised performance.
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A\s 3+ Love. Quiet with good grip
+1 here, I run them as my summer set.

I have had the set for about 30,000kms
  • Treat rating of 500AA, which is huge.
  • Extremely quiet
  • I can barely tell a difference between A/S tires and the PSS.
  • I do think they suck in snow though, so I have a dedicated winter set-up

My last comment on the tires is that the sidewall does seem to be softer than the PSS (obviously) so when you are pushing the M extremely hard it does feel that the car is "running over" the tire. Again, this only happens when you push it extremely hard.

Keep in mind that one of the automotive journals did a direct comparison with A/S 3s and competitor summer tires and the A/S 3s still had the faster lap against the Bridgestone and Continental summer tires.
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      03-22-2017, 12:13 PM   #21
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+1 here, I run them as my summer set.

I have had the set for about 30,000kms
  • Treat rating of 500AA, which is huge.
  • Extremely quiet
  • I can barely tell a difference between A/S tires and the PSS.
  • I do think they suck in snow though, so I have a dedicated winter set-up

My last comment on the tires is that the sidewall does seem to be softer than the PSS (obviously) so when you are pushing the M extremely hard it does feel that the car is "running over" the tire. Again, this only happens when you push it extremely hard.

Keep in mind that one of the automotive journals did a direct comparison with A/S 3s and competitor summer tires and the A/S 3s still had the faster lap against the Bridgestone and Continental summer tires.
I will admit that my A/S were replaced back in about 2011 so I don't have experience on the current model.

Out of curiosity, why did you choose an all season when you have a winter solution already?
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I love my as3. Run them all year round unless I'm on re71r for events. I find they have more than enough grip in sub freezing temps up to hit summer days. Enough to drive quickly and have fun. A good all around tire.
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