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      04-21-2011, 11:21 AM   #1
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Lots of praise levelled at both cars but in the end they rated the RS3 to be the more polished, better composed and ultimately the more complete car of the two and not only that they also state that it's quicker down any road of your choosing. Surprising that they felt the Audi had better steering balance and felt more connected to the road, two things that traditionally M cars were generally better at.

Things that didn't surprise me was they felt the extra torque low down and only driving the rear wheels caused the car to be a bit unruly and difficult to manage at the limit. Heaven knows what they will think of the next M3 and soon to arrive M5.

Maybe the tide is turning in Audi's favour.
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      04-21-2011, 11:58 AM   #2
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Thanks for the scans. The text is tiny and my old eyes struggled to read it, but it seems like the RS3 really held a big traction advantage.
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      04-21-2011, 12:34 PM   #3
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They clearly stated they would rather have the 1M at the end of the article.
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      04-21-2011, 12:40 PM   #4
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They clearly stated they would rather have the 1M at the end of the article.
This is footie, all his posts are Audi biased. Well, not as bad as tvrfan.
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      04-21-2011, 01:39 PM   #5
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They clearly stated they would rather have the 1M at the end of the article.
No, what it said was 'he' would buy the 1M even though it had all these failings, probably because he has the skill to drive it's at the limit but for everyone else the RS3 is the better car because it's easier to drive quickly.

These is the debate between quattro and rwd I have banged on about for years here. If your good enough then rwd is rewarding, more so than quattro but for everyone else you will do better in a car equipped with quattro.

We all have our preferences, but we always don't necessarily pick the one that's best suits.
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The verdict? The 1-series coupe from the M division delivers the more visceral driving experience and that's why it would get my money.
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Poor ending. The author says he would buy the 1M but the RS3 is the better car?
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This is footie, all his posts are Audi biased. Well, not as bad as tvrfan.
Hey don't shot the messenger, I am only repeating what the reviewer said for himself.

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Perhaps the biggest surprise was just how many different disciplines the BMW would lose time to the Audi
I could add much more from the article, statements referring to the steering and ride or just how twitchy it became but I think you get the message.
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No, what it said was 'he' would buy the 1M even though it had all these failings, probably because he has the skill to drive it's at the limit but for everyone else the RS3 is the better car because it's easier to drive quickly.

These is the debate between quattro and rwd I have banged on about for years here. If your good enough then rwd is rewarding, more so than quattro but for everyone else you will do better in a car equipped with quattro.

We all have our preferences, but we always don't necessarily pick the one that's best suits.
At the end of the day, that's really what it comes down to, preference. One thing tho, I'm willing to bet the majority of the people here can't or will ever have the opportunity to drive a 1m or any m car to it's limit. or any care for that matter.

End of the day, both these cars are retardedly good.
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I would like to see the prices for both cars......
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You may never see the price of an RS3 in the US. That's where Audi would be the major fail.
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Basically the article says enthusiasts will choose the 1M.
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At the end of the day, that's really what it comes down to, preference. One thing tho, I'm willing to bet the majority of the people here can't or will ever have the opportunity to drive a 1m or any m car to it's limit. or any care for that matter.

End of the day, both these cars are retardedly good.
It's what I continue to say but get bashed as a troll for doing so, these brands choose different methods and techniques to achieve basically the same end result, but this is only true in the hands of a truly gifted driver because otherwise quattro gives an unfair advantage. Whether you prefer a car that isn't quite as challenging or as entertaining is up for debate and in the end up to the individual to buy what he/she feels will give them most pleasure driving, but this doesn't necessarily mean that they have picked the right car for their own respective abilities.

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Basically the article says enthusiasts will choose the 1M.
I'm an enthusiast and I know I would prefer the RS3. Having a lose rear end isn't something I cherish to have on a public road but that's just me and I respect someone else feeling different.
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Nice article, and an interesting comparison....
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End of the day, both these cars are retardedly good.
Massive quoteworthy
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I can see why it's hard to choose between these cars but I think it's clear they have different purposes.

BMW give you an aggressive looking coupe, RWD and plenty of power. Will be a blast to drive. Audi give you a more practical car and it still looks great but can't look as good as a coupe (TT-RS comes in at this point if you want to compare coupe vs. coupe). The Audi also has more usable performance for roads/weather conditions and clearly has the better interior IMO.

Like Footie said both cars are great but just do it in a different way. I don't think you would regret owning either.
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OK, I see BMW can't build good car anymore. But with AWD Audi is not for me. I have to look elsewhere. Don't know if I'll find. I redict new M5 F10 is a huge fail. I hope this will teach M, and they won't fail with the M3 F32, and it will beat the GT-R. Can only dream.
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OK, I see BMW can't build good car anymore. But with AWD Audi is not for me. I have to look elsewhere. Don't know if I'll find. I redict new M5 F10 is a huge fail. I hope this will teach M, and they won't fail with the M3 F32, and it will beat the GT-R. Can only dream.
Don't understand your logic here, BMW can't build good cars anymore .... Why?

Maybe their intent for the 1M wasn't to be as complete an allrounder as the M3 was, maybe they wanted something a bit less polished and raw that needed to be tamed. I don't honestly know if this opinion is right or just a by-product of introducing FI for the first, either way this car isn't like the any of the M3 editions that have come before or presently in production, if anything it sounds closer in spirit to the old 2002tti.

As for the M5, I am dieing to see how there new diff deals with a considerably more powerful and different torque curve than previous. Though I doubt it will be the failure you believe it to be.
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OK, I see BMW can't build good car anymore. But with AWD Audi is not for me. I have to look elsewhere. Don't know if I'll find. I redict new M5 F10 is a huge fail. I hope this will teach M, and they won't fail with the M3 F32, and it will beat the GT-R. Can only dream.
Are you 12 years old?
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Interesting. Latest Sport Auto Hockenheim times.

Porsche Cayman R PDK 1:12.4
BMW E46 M3 CSL 1:13.5
Porsche 987.5 Cayman S PDK 1:13.9
Porsche 987.5 Cayman S MT 1:14.0
BMW 1M Coupe 1:14.1
BMW E92 M3 ZCP DCT 1:14.2
Audi TT-RS Coupe 1:14.3
BMW E92 M3 6MT (Cup+ Tires) 1:14.3
Audi RS5 Coupe 1:15.3
BMW Z4 35iS 1:16.1
BMW 135i Coupe 1:17.4
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The 1M and TT-RS are faster than the M3 and RS5?
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The 1M and TT-RS are faster than the M3 and RS5?
Exactly why track times aren't worth the paper they're written on
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