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      04-21-2011, 12:23 AM   #23
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The meaning of rhetorical devices tends to elude you, yes?

You're not mocking him. You're simply pointing out the hypocrisy in his complaint. It's not sarcasm.

To help figure out whether something is sarcastic, say it out loud, and if you didn't use a sarcastic tone of voice, it probably isn't sarcastic.

If you had added something like: "What a fine grammarian you are!", then it would be sarcastic.

Note: I probably screwed up the the grammar somewhere in that last sentence. A quote with an exclamation point mid-sentence is not something I usually deal with. I think the comma goes outside because of the exclamation point, and I think you need a colon before a quote that's a complete sentence, but I'm not sure.
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derision, mockery, ridicule, scorn, sneering, scoffing; irony; cynicism.

Of course I was mocking him.

And I was scoffing him (and pointing to the irony) in my usual derisive and cynical manner.
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      04-21-2011, 10:37 AM   #24
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Because someone doesn't write in english as good as you do, it doesn't make you smarter than that person. I always tell people, because I speak with an accent, it doesn't mean that I think with an accent!!!Please take your head out of the and move on.

OOOOOOOOH.....That was so unkind! I always tell applicants, "if you make a grammatical error on your cover letter, you probably won't get selected for an interview"

I never mentioned me feeling smarter than anyone, sorry if I came off that way bud.

...Take my head out of my ___ huh? I want to respond, but I'm going to just walk away
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      04-21-2011, 10:38 AM   #25
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you spelled grammar wrong
Who did? Also, it looks like you attempted to write "Banned", but it says "Bamned" under your username. If you want to go tit for tat!

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      04-21-2011, 10:48 AM   #26
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I'm sorry, I meant to say third language.
Sadly, I think your English is better than 90% of Americans.

TrackRat, I wonder the same thing. What exactly DO they teach in classrooms these days? Not to turn this into an educational debate, but it appears that schools are more concerned with athletics and other soft interests as opposed to educating the youth in more traditional subjects. It's unacceptable that the youth of today are deficient in BOTH math/science AND the languages!
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OOOOOOOOH.....That was so unkind! I always tell applicants, "if you make a grammatical error on your cover letter, you probably won't get selected for an interview"

I never mentioned me feeling smarter than anyone, sorry if I came off that way bud.

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I also used to review applications and then interview potential applicants.

The sad reality is that any candidate perceived as having the slightest deficiency in their English proficiency (nice rhyming scheme, huh?) was immediately at a disadvantage.

The reality of a client-facing business, I suppose.
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      04-21-2011, 11:18 AM   #28
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I also used to review applications and then interview potential applicants.

The sad reality is that any candidate perceived as having the slightest deficiency in their English proficiency (nice rhyming scheme, huh?) was immediately at a disadvantage.

The reality of a client-facing business, I suppose.

Nice rhyme! Yes, there are instances when you can write however you want (like here), but when you want to be taken seriously, you have to at least seem polished.

Would you take a person serious if they had broccoli between their teeth?! (same concept)
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      04-21-2011, 01:47 PM   #29
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Sadly, I think your English is better than 90% of Americans.

TrackRat, I wonder the same thing. What exactly DO they teach in classrooms these days? Not to turn this into an educational debate, but it appears that schools are more concerned with athletics and other soft interests as opposed to educating the youth in more traditional subjects. It's unacceptable that the youth of today are deficient in BOTH math/science AND the languages!
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      04-21-2011, 04:17 PM   #30
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1) It's just an internet car forum
2) Could care less how anyone gives input with or without errors as long as point made
3) Should personal license plates also be corrected?

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Oh great so now we're talking about math too?
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1) It's just an internet car forum
2) Could care less how anyone gives input with or without errors as long as point made
3) Should personal license plates also be corrected?

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      04-21-2011, 06:28 PM   #33
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nope not at all. because half the time i post i am on the phone or talking to someone in my office. its just a forum. if you want proper grammer take a class.
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      04-21-2011, 06:44 PM   #34
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nope not at all. because half the time i post i am on the phone or talking to someone in my office. its just a forum. if you want proper grammer take a class.
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Educated people write properly regardless of whether it's an online forum, blog, an essay or anything else. People don't choose to write incorrectly if they know how to do it right.

I do like shortening words like "ur" instead of you're or "cuz" instead of because. That just came from text messaging.
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      04-21-2011, 08:56 PM   #36
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Can the mods move this shit out of the general auto section and into OT please?
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derision, mockery, ridicule, scorn, sneering, scoffing; irony; cynicism.

Of course I was mocking him.

And I was scoffing him (and pointing to the irony) in my usual derisive and cynical manner.
You were not imitating him in an insulting manner. You were calling him out. There is a pretty clear difference.

Your post was ironic. It was not sarcastic.
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You were not imitating him in an insulting manner. You were calling him out. There is a pretty clear difference.

Your post was ironic. It was not sarcastic.
ironic
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1 Edward's tone was ironic: sarcastic, sardonic, cynical, mocking, satirical, caustic, wry. ANTONYMS sincere.
2 it's ironic that a former illiterate is now a successful writer: paradoxical, incongruous. ANTONYMS logical.

It was my post, and I know what I was doing. And grade school kids have no chance against me.

Now go away. Thank you.
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      04-22-2011, 10:10 AM   #39
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I like these type of threads especially on idle days.
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sarcasm
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derision, mockery, ridicule, scorn, sneering, scoffing; irony; cynicism.

Of course I was mocking him.

And I was scoffing him (and pointing to the irony) in my usual derisive and cynical manner.
??? Here you go again trying to act smart on a car forum. Its cool that you know how to use Google^^^
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ironic
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1 Edward's tone was ironic: sarcastic, sardonic, cynical, mocking, satirical, caustic, wry. ANTONYMS sincere.
2 it's ironic that a former illiterate is now a successful writer: paradoxical, incongruous. ANTONYMS logical.

It was my post, and I know what I was doing. And grade school kids have no chance against me.

Now go away. Thank you.
Ironic != sarcsastic. As I said, it was ironic that the person complaining about grammar used improper grammar. You pointed out that irony. You did not mock him. Sarcasm can involve irony, but it does not always. Likewise, irony is not always sarcastic.

“Irony must not be confused with sarcasm, which is direct: sarcasm means precisely what it says, but in a sharp, caustic, ... manner." - Eric Partridge (Lexographer)

I'll ignore the personal attacks, an example of an ad hominem logical fallacy.
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Both English and Snickers should be capitalized since they are proper nouns. It's also "do" and not "does" since you used the plural of "error." It's people "who," and not people "that."

And Snickers is plural whereas Snicker's is possessive. Fix your grammar please. Thank you.
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This thread is funny and illustrative to an extent of my thoughts on this subject. I have for some time not held a person's use of the English language against him simply because it is not an issue that goes to character. There may be several reasons for an adult's inability to string a few words together correctly to form a sentence, many of which are likely to have been from the formative years and, therefore, outside of his control. Typically, none of these reasons makes him an unworthy/bad person or a fool. Some of the brightest and most successful people I know cannot use English correctly. In addition, none of us is perfect, and I have found that snobbery of any variety almost inevitably results in the snob exposing his dirty drawers and arse in embarrassment. As for Bimmerpost, it is just not that important for the spelling and the grammar in a context such as this to be correct, every time. That said, some spelling and grammatical errors can be distracting, but I simply interpret them and move on. It's not that big a deal. Incidentally, I learned English so the use of a word such as "practice" as a verb is a little distracting as well, but then again, immaterial to the effectiveness of what we're all trying to do here.
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I'm a pretty bad speller myself and don't often worry about others, except when a self proffesed automotive brake expert starts patting himself on the back claiming to know it all about car break systems. The same holds true for those audio experts telling others their system is all wrong because of this, that and their base levels are to high.
He may be a brilliant mechanic though. I really don't care if my mechanic can't speak or write a lick of English. If my brakes are broken and breaks are what he's good at fixing, and his breaks are my brakes, and he doesn't take breaks while fixing my brakes, nor break my brakes when he's breaking them in with braking, and at the end of the day my brakes are not broken, then we're good. I wrote that as a tribute to this thread and will now sell it to Montessori as a nursery rhyme for kids.
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