BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > Off-Topic Discussions Board > Photography/Videography
 
Evolve Automotive
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      04-20-2011, 11:54 AM   #1
The1
Major General
Canada
56
Rep
5,127
Posts

 
Drives: white 135
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: KW ontario/vancouver temporarily

iTrader: (0)

Question sRGB vs. Adobe RGB

was just poking around in a book i have, and was learning the difference between sRGB and Adobe RGB

I was wondering how many people here have their cameras set to record AdobeRBG rather then sRGB.

I can see the benefit to shooting both, but was just wondering if it's really worth switching over to Adobe when most printing software and such can't reach all the colours and just start making up colours instead.

Quick definition (from my interpretation) if anyone is confused by my question.

sRGB is more universally accepted as everything is able to show/print in these select few colours.
Adobe RGB is able to capture a little bit more of the visible light specturm, it can show up a bit better on computers as they have millions of colours to choose from and work with as opposed to what printers can do.

Some printers can reach out into this colour spectrum a bit further then others, however what colours they can't copy they tend to pick the next closest colour and might add a slight level of fakness to the image.

I know what you see isn't what you get, so it's not something that bothers me too much, but maybe i might start shooting my shots in Adobe RGB then if i'm going to print the image, i'll switch it in photoshop or another program that can change it to sRGB so i can see what is going to be printed instead of find out once it is printed.

I'd love to hear any opinions on this, or if anyone has had an instructor advise them one way or another.

and yes, i spell colour with a U because i'm Canadian...

*edit* upon further research which i have added further down in this thread has revealed there isn't much use to Adobe RGB at this time due to the restrictions of current technology in printers, monitors, and even jpeg files. The internet and email don't even have the ability to show the Adobe specturm, attachments are a different topic.

Last edited by The1; 04-20-2011 at 12:41 PM.
Appreciate 0
      04-20-2011, 11:55 AM   #2
The1
Major General
Canada
56
Rep
5,127
Posts

 
Drives: white 135
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: KW ontario/vancouver temporarily

iTrader: (0)

first picture (not really truely acurate but gives an idea) shows in the big loop the visible light spectrum
inside the loop are 2 random shapes, they are supposed to show the difference between how much of the visible light spectrum both colour modes are supposed to capture

the second and 3rd images are a different approach to show the same thing. as you can see in the taller image, the full colours (like the red) just turn fully solid red, where in the shorter image, there is still a variance inside the red and it seems to have more depth.
Attached Images
   

Last edited by The1; 04-20-2011 at 12:06 PM.
Appreciate 0
      04-20-2011, 12:33 PM   #3
rodi
. . .
51
Rep
2,400
Posts

 
Drives: your FACE!
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Atlanta proper

iTrader: (-1)

because you posted an image from Ken Rockwell, everything you say henceforth is invalid.

__________________
2009 135i | space grey | sport | navi | hifi | heated
dinan stage 2 software | bmw performance exhaust
kw v2 | hotchkis front sway | vmr v710

Appreciate 0
      04-20-2011, 12:34 PM   #4
The1
Major General
Canada
56
Rep
5,127
Posts

 
Drives: white 135
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: KW ontario/vancouver temporarily

iTrader: (0)

did a lot more serching and found a pretty good reason to not make the switch.

basically nothing on my market is capable of reproducing Adobe RGB colours unless it's for your own personal use on a very very high end monitor/t.v.

very few printers can do it, and JPEG files aren't well equipped to deal with it.

sRGB as a result can often produce more pronounced colours in many cases because even if you have a 24bit television showing these colours, you still have the same number of available bits for more colours to be handled and it just doesn't really work.

Adobe RGB can produce more colours, but it can also look more washed out as a result of trying to have more colours and ignoring the standard RGB spectrum.

so long story short, 99.9% of the public professional or not, should stick with sRGB rather then Adobe RGB as there really isn't the technology out there to handle the ladder.

maybe in a few years or if someone is running 32bit monitors and etc.

here's a good link, it's obviously based on 1 persons research, so take it with a grain of salt, but it answered a majority of the questions i had as opposed to a lot of other sites that just added to my confusion.

http://www.jseaman.com/articles/srgb.html
Appreciate 0
      04-20-2011, 12:35 PM   #5
The1
Major General
Canada
56
Rep
5,127
Posts

 
Drives: white 135
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: KW ontario/vancouver temporarily

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by rodi View Post
because you posted an image from Ken Rockwell, everything you say henceforth is invalid.

lol, that's why i kept researching. i didn't get much usefull info form him
Appreciate 0
      04-20-2011, 12:36 PM   #6
M_Six
Free Thinker
M_Six's Avatar
United_States
126
Rep
5,076
Posts

 
Drives: 2012 MB C300 4matic
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Foothills of Mt Level

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by The1 View Post
was just poking around in a book i have, and was learning the difference between sRGB and Adobe RGB

I was wondering how many people here have their cameras set to record AdobeRBG rather then sRGB.

I can see the benefit to shooting both, but was just wondering if it's really worth switching over to Adobe when most printing software and such can't reach all the colours and just start making up colours instead.

Quick definition (from my interpretation) if anyone is confused by my question.

sRGB is more universally accepted as everything is able to show/print in these select few colours.
Adobe RGB is able to capture a little bit more of the visible light specturm, it can show up a bit better on computers as they have millions of colours to choose from and work with as opposed to what printers can do.

Some printers can reach out into this colour spectrum a bit further then others, however what colours they can't copy they tend to pick the next closest colour and might add a slight level of fakness to the image.

I know what you see isn't what you get, so it's not something that bothers me too much, but maybe i might start shooting my shots in Adobe RGB then if i'm going to print the image, i'll switch it in photoshop or another program that can change it to sRGB so i can see what is going to be printed instead of find out once it is printed.

I'd love to hear any opinions on this, or if anyone has had an instructor advise them one way or another.

and yes, i spell colour with a U because i'm Canadian...

It'd be easier to decide which to use with a few side-by-side images shot both ways. It seems they'd have to have lots of greens to really see a difference.
__________________
Mark
Flickr

"I know rocks. Rocks are hard."
-T. Walter
Appreciate 0
      04-20-2011, 01:50 PM   #7
rodi
. . .
51
Rep
2,400
Posts

 
Drives: your FACE!
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Atlanta proper

iTrader: (-1)

I use adobeRGB when filming with the 5D. supposedly makes for better skintones.
__________________
2009 135i | space grey | sport | navi | hifi | heated
dinan stage 2 software | bmw performance exhaust
kw v2 | hotchkis front sway | vmr v710

Appreciate 0
      04-20-2011, 01:51 PM   #8
The1
Major General
Canada
56
Rep
5,127
Posts

 
Drives: white 135
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: KW ontario/vancouver temporarily

iTrader: (0)

but stick to standard RGB for photos?
Appreciate 0
      04-20-2011, 02:03 PM   #9
rodi
. . .
51
Rep
2,400
Posts

 
Drives: your FACE!
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Atlanta proper

iTrader: (-1)

yeah, but only because i hate how my nikon names the files with a leading underscore when you choose AdobeRGB. haha. fail.
__________________
2009 135i | space grey | sport | navi | hifi | heated
dinan stage 2 software | bmw performance exhaust
kw v2 | hotchkis front sway | vmr v710

Appreciate 0
      04-20-2011, 02:04 PM   #10
The1
Major General
Canada
56
Rep
5,127
Posts

 
Drives: white 135
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: KW ontario/vancouver temporarily

iTrader: (0)

haha, something so simple can just ruin the potion.
Appreciate 0
      04-20-2011, 02:06 PM   #11
rodi
. . .
51
Rep
2,400
Posts

 
Drives: your FACE!
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Atlanta proper

iTrader: (-1)

haha. i guess i could just batch rename them on import.

if you have a Mac, the best app you could get is A Better Finder Renamer. simply awesome.
__________________
2009 135i | space grey | sport | navi | hifi | heated
dinan stage 2 software | bmw performance exhaust
kw v2 | hotchkis front sway | vmr v710

Appreciate 0
      04-20-2011, 02:38 PM   #12
scollins
Bootleggin' 'n Gunrunnin'
scollins's Avatar
No_Country
35
Rep
2,345
Posts

 
Drives: 2010 e70 X5 35d
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Renton, WA

iTrader: (3)

I've been shooting in Adobe RGB since I got the D3. I guess I should do some side-by-sides to figure out if it is worth it.....

Just figured since I use Adobe software to process my RAW files, it should be able to handle Adobe RGB colorspace. But when I save JPEGs, it converts them to sRGB anyway....
__________________
Scott
2010 E70 X5 35d
Alpine White on Black with Dark Bamboo trim
ZAP | ZCW | ZPP | ZPS | ZRC | ZTP | 322 | 328 | 330 | 386 | 4AZ | 4UB | 655 | 6FL | 6NF
2008 Ducati 1098S Red naturally....
Appreciate 0
      04-20-2011, 02:41 PM   #13
The1
Major General
Canada
56
Rep
5,127
Posts

 
Drives: white 135
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: KW ontario/vancouver temporarily

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by scollins View Post
I've been shooting in Adobe RGB since I got the D3. I guess I should do some side-by-sides to figure out if it is worth it.....

Just figured since I use Adobe software to process my RAW files, it should be able to handle Adobe RGB colorspace. But when I save JPEGs, it converts them to sRGB anyway....
yup, and if you're printing you pretty much need a 1000$ printer to optimize whatever you can get out of it. From what I've read anyhow.

to keep the colours you'd have to convert to a TIFF file, but i don't think there's any benefit to that either.
Appreciate 0
      04-20-2011, 04:29 PM   #14
Diver
Colonel
Diver's Avatar
United_States
43
Rep
2,895
Posts

 
Drives: Black '12 135i DCT PPK Msport
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Texas

iTrader: (0)

It only makes a difference if you are shooting Jpeg's in camera. With a raw image, you can assign a different color space, or your editing program will assign one.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      04-20-2011, 11:17 PM   #15
dcstep
Major General
United_States
65
Rep
5,036
Posts

 
Drives: '09 Cpe Silverstone FR 6MT
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Colorado

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2009 M3  [4.00]
I use sRGB, optimized for internet. I have printed a couple of vanity books and was really very happy with the colors. Maybe if I printed some larger prints it might become more important to me, but I'm viewing on a 47" HDTV and 24.1" 1920p monitor and not feeling short changed.

I would love to see one of the mega-bucks, billion-colors monitors next to my fairly high end, color and contrast calibrated NEC. I may be missing something, but I don't see it. I ask my young daughters to use their young eyes to compare colors and they, and I, can see the oversaturated colors on Windows IE when you use RGB, but that's a problem with IE, not the camera or the RGB color scheme. On a color corrected browser, they and I can't see a difference.

I'm figuring that if it's hard for a high end user, like me, to see a demonstration of the difference and advantages, then my average viewer isn't go to know any difference.

Since 99.9% of my viewers see my images online, I'm sticking with sRGB for now, but I could be swayed with one really convincing demonstration, after which I'll kick myself for recently buying NEC instead of EIZO.

Dave
__________________
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
adobe rgb, srgb

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:20 PM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST