*OFFICIAL* general photography conversation thread - Page 80

dcstep · 10-18-2011, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Chewy734

yeah, but keep in mind that the 1D4 could do 10 fps. I think the reason they are using dual DIGIC 5+ processors is because they are also doing RAW conversion on the fly, which is pretty cool.

I'm at 8-fps right now, so a 50% increase will be huge for a feature that I use a lot. Also, I fill my buffer way too quickly. Add a big increase in high-ISO performance, 400,000-cycle durability (I'm already nearing 50,000 on my 7D) and further AF improvement and I'm suddenly feeling the urge to spend almost 7-grand in 2012. I'm glad that I didn't buy the Mk IV.

Dave

Chewy734 · 10-18-2011, 11:04 AM

I still think there is room for another body like an EOS-1D Xs. Much higher MPs (30+), lower fps, etc mostly for studio use. I feel like releasing only this body will anger a lot of photographers who need the higher MP for larger prints, significant cropping, etc.

Chewy734 · 10-18-2011, 11:06 AM

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oneintheory · 10-18-2011, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chewy734

I still think there is room for another body like an EOS-1D Xs. Much higher MPs (30+), lower fps, etc mostly for studio use. I feel like releasing only this body will anger a lot of photographers who need the higher MP for larger prints, significant cropping, etc.

it's only a 3MP loss over the 1Ds3...and most people doing super huge prints are probably not using anything other than a medium format at this point, if i had to guess.

Chewy734 · 10-18-2011, 12:46 PM

That's true Josh... but, I think quite a few Canon users were looking forward to seeing Canon dabble in the medium-format business. Especially after all the rumors of a high-end MP beast in the works.

oneintheory · 10-18-2011, 12:59 PM

I think that there's some truth in what you said too. Historically speaking, Canon has released the more speed oriented 1d version before the higher MP version...but this is the first time that a first release has been full frame instead of APS-H. If they release a 30+ MP version, i think a lot of people will be happy, but it's going to be at least $9k. Personally, i'm completely satisfied with that the 1dX appears to offer. And if i can't get one, i'll take advantage of lower prices or people dumping 1Ds3's.

scollins · 10-18-2011, 01:38 PM

ISO 204,800?!?! Damn, I wonder how that is going to look.

Kudos to Canon for keeping the pressure on. With Nikon and Canon slugging it out like this, we all win.

UdubBadger · 10-18-2011, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scollins

ISO 204,800?!?! Damn, I wonder how that is going to look.

Kudos to Canon for keeping the pressure on. With Nikon and Canon slugging it out like this, we all win.

dcstep · 10-18-2011, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chewy734

I still think there is room for another body like an EOS-1D Xs. Much higher MPs (30+), lower fps, etc mostly for studio use. I feel like releasing only this body will anger a lot of photographers who need the higher MP for larger prints, significant cropping, etc.

I agree. There's less market for that, but I think they'll announce that in the next year.

oneintheory · 10-18-2011, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scollins

ISO 204,800?!?! Damn, I wonder how that is going to look.

Kudos to Canon for keeping the pressure on. With Nikon and Canon slugging it out like this, we all win.

they mentioned it 'forensic' applications...so i can't imagine it'll be much use without a pretty substantial amount of NR. however, i bet the useful ISO range is going to increase tremendously.

Chewy734 · 10-18-2011, 02:03 PM

we can probably take pics of ghosts now

Mr. ///M3 RD · 10-18-2011, 02:31 PM

Wishing you guys a Happy Thanksgiving (states side) and a Happy Halloween

Below are 2 photos I took with my iPhone 4 ... then optimized them to attach them here. Quality is pretty good what do you think? First photo is from my front garden, just prepared the fall display for the kids, the second one I took in a small British Columbia town in western Canada...

Chewy734 · 10-18-2011, 02:36 PM

I like the first shot... the 2nd one seems a bit blurry/noisy.

Chewy734 · 10-18-2011, 02:37 PM

Technologies Explained – EOS-1D X

Chewy734 · 10-20-2011, 07:05 AM

Do I really need a 32+ megapixel sensor? I thought this was a pretty good, scientific article someone wrote about that question, so I thought I'd share.

vachss · 10-20-2011, 09:07 AM

Thanks for that reference. While I agree with the overall conclusions I was a bit surprised by some of the results. In particular the resolution simulations run by the author seem to show that sharpening can consistently produce resolution (both MTF-50 and MTF-10) better than the diffraction limit. Certainly for a classical sinusoidal resolution test target this is possible. With no interfering noise you can take a sinewave pattern of very low contrast and sharpen it up to an almost perfect bar pattern. I wonder, however, how well this works in practice with a complex image. I've sharpened many images over the years and have some idea of the limitations of this sort of processing. As a result I wonder if the assessment of the utility of increasing sensor resolution is somewhat overstated.

Regardless, I agree with the utility of increasing pixel pitch to the point that anti-aliasing filters can be removed, and ultimately, that teleconverters become superfluous (i.e. that the sensor truly oversamples all the image information provided by the lens).

infinitekid2002 · 10-20-2011, 11:09 AM

My droid phone takes decent quality simple photos-much better than any iphone i've ever seen:

dcstep · 10-20-2011, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

My droid phone takes decent quality simple photos-much better than any iphone i've ever seen:

Have you seen the iPhone 4S?

infinitekid2002 · 10-20-2011, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcstep

Have you seen the iPhone 4S?

no

oneintheory · 10-20-2011, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by infinitekid2002

My droid phone takes decent quality simple photos-much better than any iphone i've ever seen:

hey man, why's the right side of the car so underexposed? psht, all these amateurs.

infinitekid2002 · 10-20-2011, 03:49 PM

lol...meanie

Chewy734 · 10-24-2011, 10:14 PM

the photos on 500px.com amaze me daily... and it makes me feel like I shouldn't even be holding a camera.

10-18-2011, 11:04 AM	#1740
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10-18-2011, 11:06 AM	#1741
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10-18-2011, 12:46 PM	#1743
Chewy734 Major General Drives: 2006 BMW 330i ZPP, ZSP Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 6,603 iTrader: (15)	That's true Josh... but, I think quite a few Canon users were looking forward to seeing Canon dabble in the medium-format business. Especially after all the rumors of a high-end MP beast in the works. __________________ Currently for sale: N/A

10-18-2011, 01:38 PM	#1745
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10-18-2011, 02:03 PM	#1749
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10-18-2011, 12:59 PM	#1744
oneintheory no longer a BMW owner Drives: 2011 Ford Edge Sport Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Suffolk/Chesapeake, VA Posts: 1,469 iTrader: (0)	I think that there's some truth in what you said too. Historically speaking, Canon has released the more speed oriented 1d version before the higher MP version...but this is the first time that a first release has been full frame instead of APS-H. If they release a 30+ MP version, i think a lot of people will be happy, but it's going to be at least $9k. Personally, i'm completely satisfied with that the 1dX appears to offer. And if i can't get one, i'll take advantage of lower prices or people dumping 1Ds3's.

10-18-2011, 02:31 PM	#1750
Mr. ///M3 RD Major General Drives: M3 Summer & C350 4MATIC Winter Join Date: May 2010 Location: GTA, Ontario - Canada Posts: 7,564 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 M3 Coupe e92 [3.00] 2011 Benz 350 4MATIC [1.00] 1969 Restored Merce ... [0.00] 1987 BMW 535is [0.50] Cars from the Past [1.50] The ///M3 Engine S65 [3.50]	Wishing you guys a Happy Thanksgiving (states side) and a Happy Halloween Below are 2 photos I took with my iPhone 4 ... then optimized them to attach them here. Quality is pretty good what do you think? First photo is from my front garden, just prepared the fall display for the kids, the second one I took in a small British Columbia town in western Canada... __________________ Cheers, Rolf-Dieter Life will take us to some interesting places, fortunately The ///M3 will too with a many of us know this very well ---> Click here for some good stuff I found Last edited by Mr. ///M3 RD; 06-12-2012 at 03:26 PM.

10-18-2011, 02:36 PM	#1751
Chewy734 Major General Drives: 2006 BMW 330i ZPP, ZSP Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 6,603 iTrader: (15)	I like the first shot... the 2nd one seems a bit blurry/noisy. __________________ Currently for sale: N/A

10-18-2011, 02:37 PM	#1752
Chewy734 Major General Drives: 2006 BMW 330i ZPP, ZSP Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 6,603 iTrader: (15)	Technologies Explained – EOS-1D X __________________ Currently for sale: N/A

10-20-2011, 09:07 AM	#1754
vachss Captain Drives: Z4 Coupe Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ventura County, CA Posts: 741 iTrader: (1)	Thanks for that reference. While I agree with the overall conclusions I was a bit surprised by some of the results. In particular the resolution simulations run by the author seem to show that sharpening can consistently produce resolution (both MTF-50 and MTF-10) better than the diffraction limit. Certainly for a classical sinusoidal resolution test target this is possible. With no interfering noise you can take a sinewave pattern of very low contrast and sharpen it up to an almost perfect bar pattern. I wonder, however, how well this works in practice with a complex image. I've sharpened many images over the years and have some idea of the limitations of this sort of processing. As a result I wonder if the assessment of the utility of increasing sensor resolution is somewhat overstated. Regardless, I agree with the utility of increasing pixel pitch to the point that anti-aliasing filters can be removed, and ultimately, that teleconverters become superfluous (i.e. that the sensor truly oversamples all the image information provided by the lens).

10-20-2011, 11:09 AM	#1755
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10-20-2011, 03:49 PM	#1759
infinitekid2002 Creepin while ya sleepin Drives: Like a Bat out of Hell Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: City of Angels Posts: 3,193 iTrader: (4) Garage List 2008 135i [3.59]	lol...meanie __________________

10-24-2011, 10:14 PM	#1760
Chewy734 Major General Drives: 2006 BMW 330i ZPP, ZSP Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 6,603 iTrader: (15)	the photos on 500px.com amaze me daily... and it makes me feel like I shouldn't even be holding a camera. __________________ Currently for sale: N/A

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