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      08-05-2016, 04:32 AM   #1
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"BMWs engines are gigantic pieces of shit"

Internet makes massive propaganda left right an easy task these days. At the same time I think a proper heads-up from the market now and then is only healthy for the big buys to not go too (!) arrogant.

Amusing reading: http://thegarage.jalopnik.com/bmw-en...hit-1784684330
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      08-05-2016, 05:41 AM   #2
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      08-05-2016, 07:13 AM   #3
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The m3 is designed to be a street car / daily driver first.

There is no excuse for any production car to have consistent catastrophic failure potential as has been seen with the bearing issue.

Its competitors don't have these issues.

Pay to play is meaningless in this case, and is not acceptable to most.
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      08-05-2016, 07:31 AM   #4
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Tend to agree. Not been having any major qual issues myself but for the ones that had Im sure they like to think the premium price include not only driving experience but quality level in accordance.
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      08-05-2016, 08:21 AM   #5
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Stop promoting that guys propaganda, he only writes crap like that to get views. When you actually read them they contain very little credible content.
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      08-05-2016, 09:33 AM   #6
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How much of this is true? I guess it's a little bit on the harsh side. I see as like the author LOVES BMWs!!!! Why not? We all do, right?

Its true that BMW have had problems, but the comparison with a Toyota Corolla is annoying and stupid. It's very different to design a chassis to handle 130 hp than to handle 400!!!!

Question for the enthusiast: where is MB, Porsche, Maseratti, Audi and others with their failures? Is BMW that bad? We all know about this failures on BMWs sport cars like M3 and M5, but to generalized that ALL BMWs are a piece of crap.....I'm not really sure.
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      08-05-2016, 09:38 AM   #7
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      08-05-2016, 10:30 AM   #8
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There is no excuse for any production car to have consistent catastrophic failure potential as has been seen with the bearing issue.
Consistent catastrophic failure?!?!
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      08-05-2016, 11:21 AM   #9
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Consistent catastrophic failure?!?!
You forgot to include the last word, which is potential.

And yes, there is a clear trend of failed bearings and resultant blown motors. It is a problem, to what percentage of cars, who knows, but it's clearly real and the same issue has happened to many cars. Not to mention the many bearings preventatively replaced.
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      08-05-2016, 11:28 AM   #10
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The m3 is designed to be a street car / daily driver first.

There is no excuse for any production car to have consistent catastrophic failure potential as has been seen with the bearing issue.

Its competitors don't have these issues.

Pay to play is meaningless in this case, and is not acceptable to most.
First of all, the failures are relatively uncommon. Secondly, BMW isn't the only manufacturer to have engine issues, or have you forgotten the flaps about C7 Corvette engine failures and Ferrari F458 engine fires?
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      08-05-2016, 11:43 AM   #11
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You forgot to include the last word, which is potential.

And yes, there is a clear trend of failed bearings and resultant blown motors. It is a problem, to what percentage of cars, who knows, but it's clearly real and the same issue has happened to many cars. Not to mention the many bearings preventatively replaced.
Anything with moving parts made by man has potential to grenade. Let alone something with close tolerances that revs to 8,400 RPM meant to be a "daily driver" in all climates.

Also, not sure what the many bearings replaced has to do with anything. Could just be a result of internet hysteria and good indy salesmanship.
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      08-05-2016, 12:00 PM   #12
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I didn't read it.

But clearly this guy never owned an Audi B6 or B7 S4 with its timing chain guides made out of paper machete and an engine that needs to be pulled in order to change them out.

Or a Ferrari 355 with 100% failure rate on its headers.

Jalopnik, like all Gawker properties, is nothing more than a BS pageview whore manned by irresponsible idiots.
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      08-05-2016, 02:14 PM   #13
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I read it, much of the same could be said about any performance car. And yes, you gotta pay to play, I don't think any of us were expecting $300 brake jobs and $50 oil changes, but $20-30k catastrophic engine failures on relatively low-mileage and maintained vehicles? Come on.
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      08-05-2016, 02:25 PM   #14
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      08-05-2016, 02:32 PM   #15
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Yet how many M3 V8s have "catastrophically failed" with relatively low mileage and properly maintained cars? I will grant you that there may be a couple of examples, as one would expect from any highly stressed engine, but they represent a fraction of a percent of the thousands and thousands of e9X M3s sold worldwide. There are several things that you need to consider. First, many of these cars have been modded, and modifications designed to boost output (particularly forced injection and stroker kits) place additional stresses on an engine and its components that may exceed design specifications. There is a reason that BMW kept the power down to 414 bhp, and that has to do with reliability. Second, unless you purchased the car new you cannot be certain what sort of use and maintenance a previous owner may have given it. The car was not designed for drag racing, and either side-stepping the clutch or using launch control puts a lot of sudden stress on both the drivetrain and the engine. Finally I have yet to see the owner of any car whose engine has grenaded admit that he abused the car, even when it is clear that he did.
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I am worried after reating this. Should I sell my M3?
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I think what's more concerning is not only the engines that have actually gone, but the number of bearings that were done at lower miles in maintained cars (there's a thread on here chock full of pics) that were on the brink of failure. I try not to let it get me too paranoid, but I can't help but wonder sometimes what my bearings look like and whether or not I'm driving a ticking time bomb.
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I think what's more concerning is not only the engines that have actually gone, but the number of bearings that were done at lower miles in maintained cars (there's a thread on here chock full of pics) that were on the brink of failure. I try not to let it get me too paranoid, but I can't help but wonder sometimes what my bearings look like and whether or not I'm driving a ticking time bomb.
Until there is a proven solution for bearing wear tracking and/or fix, I will not buy an E9X M3. I'll just continue searching for the perfect E36 M3.
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I'm gonna sell mine now...
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      08-05-2016, 09:16 PM   #20
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Dammit, I have to find this out now! I feel like I've just had unsafe sex, lord knows what I'm gonna catch. I guess everything in life is a gamble.
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It's super ridiculous to compare Japanese engines that barely change every decade to BMW engineering that innovates every four years.

Sure the VQ is reliable, BFD. That's like comparing the reliability of a Timex Ironman digital watch to a Swiss chronometer. No one actually cares.
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Driving around my 08 M3 without warranty was the most stressful driving experience. Knowing the motor could randomly have a catastrophic failure even at 55k miles was too much for me. Ended up trading it in for a Camaro ZL1. I miss the M but definitely not the stress.
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