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      05-15-2012, 08:40 PM   #529
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From the PSS press kit:



And the PS2 will be phased out by the PSS, and will only be available in OEM sizes for a few more years.
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      05-15-2012, 10:14 PM   #530
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And the PS2 will be phased out by the PSS, and will only be available in OEM sizes for a few more years.
I think everyone is aware of this, although the above comparison of the "off-the-shelf" PSS is being made with the "off-the-shelf" PS2. Although I'm sure the PSS has better outright performance than the BMW PS2, there is no hard data or a credible review to suggest how much better an "off-the-shelf" PSS is over the BMW PS2. It's a shame that BMW don't have a homologated version of the PSS for the M3.

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      05-16-2012, 12:01 AM   #531
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Your sizes seem off....by a good amount!!

Most people are running 255/35/19 and 275/35/19.

If you are going wih 18's, this would convert to 255/40/18 and 275/40/18

Better sizes on 18's would be 265/35 and 285/35.
would that be the cause of bad handling? cuz it definitely doesn't feel right
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      05-16-2012, 12:33 AM   #532
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And the PS2 will be phased out by the PSS, and will only be available in OEM sizes for a few more years.
What are the 3 categories where it isn't improved?

The PS2 is a 10+ year old tire design. All the competitors have better tires than the PS2, that's why Michelin had to step it up to beat them.
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      05-16-2012, 05:58 PM   #533
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The Pilot Super Sport tire manufacturing facilities do not use mold release agents and all molds are either bare or coated with an industrial coating/not lubricant. This coating reduces friction, improves wear resistance and is used for non-stick applications. An example would be non-stick cookware (like DuPont's trademarked Teflon). All of the Pilot Super Sport molds (both in EU and the US) have these coated molds.



The PSS's have been shown to have better handling, braking, and wet performance than the PS2. They are a summer tires, has it been colder than normal in your area since you got them? Where your PS2's run-flats?
Past two months, 70 to 80's degrees. I didn't know PS2 come in runflats?! My PS2 were original equipment and are not runflats. In any regards, performance wise, PSS skips and wiggles under spirited high speed turns where the PS2s were very planted in the same corners and roads the I travel on for the three years I've owned my car.
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      05-16-2012, 06:59 PM   #534
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Past two months, 70 to 80's degrees. I didn't know PS2 come in runflats?! My PS2 were original equipment and are not runflats. In any regards, performance wise, PSS skips and wiggles under spirited high speed turns where the PS2s were very planted in the same corners and roads the I travel on for the three years I've owned my car.
Could be from more tread... and thus more squirm... on a new PSS versus an worn PS2. I say this because I find the PSS to much more planted and confidence inspiring than the PS2 (or any other tire I have had other than the RE-11).
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      05-17-2012, 07:21 AM   #535
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this is driving me nuts

got the new PSS on my car for about a month or so, the tires just don't feel right....the ps2 were great, so i expected this to be better overall...

F 255/35/18, R 275/35/18 does this size look okay?
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Funny, but I had a similar experience (though not directly comparable).

I was very happy with the stock PS2s that came with the car. 18 months down the road the PS2s were worn and I had to get new tyres.

I was convinced by my local tyre dealer to switch to the Conti SC. From what I have read in this forum, the Contis are also extremely good tyres and a close competitor to the PS2s. I had no reason to suspect otherwise.

Putting the Contis on and driving off the dealer something didn't feel right. I went to the highway at over 50mph, and then it was one of the worst experiences I ever had when trying new tyres. I could not believe how lousy the tail felt, and how slopy & inaccurate the overall handling was (esp. the back). I would turn the wheel and it felt like the back followed after half a second or so. HORIBLE. I started a thread on this forum asking for help, I went to Conti Greece asking to check what was going on, thorough tests on suspension, alignment (in 2 different shops, incl. the dealership), wheels etc etc.

Of course I knew the tyres had to run in for at least 100 miles, so at the begining I took some comfort that handling would imrove. On the other hand I still wasn't convinced, as I remembered that the OEM PS2s which also needed run in at the beginnig did not feel as sloppy as this.

To cut the long story short: The Contis improved in performance VERY slowly over time, but even today after 15k miles (or so) I am not as happy as I was with the PS2s day 1. So if you ask me what went wrong, I still don't know. Maybe the tyres were somewhow defective out of the box, maybe they were not perfectly matched to the M3, maybe they just didn't feel right or felt "different" for my taste. Public opinion remains that the Contis are an excellent tyre for the M3, yet I would never get Contis on my M3 again nomatter what.

My next tyre will be the PSS. It is an excellent sucessor of the PS2 from what I read, so I am getting those after the summer.

I hope I won't end up in another nasty surprise....
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Does anyone have an update from Michelin about availability on a 285/30-19 already?
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i like these so far over the SP, softer and more comfort with same/better traction
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Does anyone have an update from Michelin about availability on a 285/30-19 already?
I can report this. It's on the radar but no release date has been announced yet.
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      05-28-2012, 06:24 PM   #539
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I can report this. It's on the radar but no release date has been announced yet.
Thanks tlp. Mind if I ask how you know? Can you give a ballpark estimate for release? Q3? Q4?
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Thanks tlp. Mind if I ask how you know? Can you give a ballpark estimate for release? Q3? Q4?
I wish I new if it was going to be this year or next year. My quess today is Q1 next year. I ping my contact that actually speaks to Michelin direct. I will update this thread if I get anything concrete back. I have been waiting for the 285/30/19 for over year. It will happen eventually.
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I wish I new if it was going to be this year or next year. My quess today is Q1 next year. I ping my contact that actually speaks to Michelin direct. I will update this thread if I get anything concrete back. I have been waiting for the 285/30/19 for over year. It will happen eventually.
I'd like to know about a 245/30/20 or 255/30/20. They already have a 285/30/20 which would make a perfect combination for 20" wheels. 305/25/20 would be nice too.
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anyone running 255f 275r with spacers (on ZCP wheels)?

if so, what size? any rubbing?

I currently have a 15/10mm set on, and have a 255/275 on order, but I'm worried about the rears rubbing slightly.
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It will easily fit without spacers.
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I know... I just don't like buying stuff online. I'm impatience.
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245/35/19 @ 275.00 and 265/35/19 @ 289.00
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I would upsize to 255/35 and 275/35 with ZCP's. Larger contact patch, more agressive look and a hair more rash resistance.
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I would upsize to 255/35 and 275/35 with ZCP's. Larger contact patch, more agressive look and a hair more rash resistance.
will that work on the 220s as well?
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will that work on the 220s as well?
Yep it works. There are pics somewhere around here of that setup.
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