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      03-08-2007, 06:20 PM   #23
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i've heard a lot of talk about the CSL version of this M3, and how what we saw at the geneva auto show was actually a hybrid of the two. assuming you're correct scott, and that it is in realilty a hybrid of the two, then it seems pretty safe to assume that bmw is setting its sights on an imminent CSL release soon, and perhaps on a larger scale then the e46 m3 csl.

so the real question for you scott is..... when is this CSL supposed to be available (especially in the US)?
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      03-08-2007, 07:22 PM   #24
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maybe if the CSL is produced more extensively it will allow for a lower MSRP for the base M3 like someone just quoted at $53,975...

then they could leave room for a more exclusive and expensive CSL

just a thought
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      03-08-2007, 07:53 PM   #25
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If the standard model doesn't look like the CSL hybrid ie no bonnet hump, CF roof or those alloys, I doubt I'd buy one. Nor the CSL, as BMW are likely to use them stupid paddles on it.
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Mans those rims are UGLY. They just keep giving me more and more reason to not like this car.

The rims are BARNONE the easiest thing to change on any car. To tell you the truth I am 50/50 on whether I want to like the factory rims or not.

A) If they're good, than thats's a few G's you'll get to save.

B) If they're no good that's one way you can make your car stick out / be more unique than every other one out there.
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      03-08-2007, 10:53 PM   #27
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Actually it looked like the car under the tarp was a 4 door. Maybe the four door will have the concept like rims and the coupes will have the CSL wheels.

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      03-08-2007, 11:00 PM   #28
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Hate to say it Scott, but REPOST. I posted before you did!

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...663#post754663

I won't believe this is the production version under wraps. And why roll it out on stage? There is NO WAY those rims are for real. My money is still on the split-spoke version of the M5-ish looking ones we all thought were production when the gray mule appeared a while back.
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If you really need a M3 logo on your car for others to see, you just don't get it
I get it. I have an M3 dude! It's just the M3 om the rear looks cool. If you don't know the answer to my question then don't waste my time with your sarcastic remarks.
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There is a "production" version of the M3 in Geneva as well as the concept M3 which we already saw. Like I said the one we have already seen is a hybrid between a production car and the CSL version. Here is a video of the production version. Mans those rims are UGLY. They just keep giving me more and more reason to not like this car.

does anybody have any news about the ///M in Geneva today by any chance

and pics?>??
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The car totally covered in the video is the "production" version, I suspect. Why else would they risk moving it so carefully covered up? To keep prying eyes away is the obvious answer! OK why did the production-CSL concept have a warning about the RF calibration - simply because the system was not installed on this car or the rims do not support the system. Again, just speculation/debate, but Soctts reply seems to support this theory as well.

The car's been covered up because this was before the presentation on March 6th. You can see that the car has been "driven" to the place, from where Andi Priaulx started.. Here's a photo of the same car with the already changed concept rims: http://www.mwerks.com/gallery/albums//Events/International%20Motorshows/Geneva%202007/M3%20Concept/031.jpg
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Sorry, I mixed up runflat and FTM. So I didn't mean runflat, I meant the Flat Tire Monitor. This system works with the wheel speed sensors of the DSC. On this passive system theres no sensor or anything else in the rims or tires; so every rim "supports" the system. But if you change the tires/rims so that the wheel circumference also changes, the FTM is irritated and asks for recalibration.

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The car's been covered up because this was before the presentation on March 6th. You can see that the car has been "driven" to the place, from where Andi Priaulx started.. Here's a photo of the same car with the already changed concept rims: http://www.mwerks.com/gallery/albums...oncept/031.jpg
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Sorry, I mixed up runflat and FTM. So I didn't mean runflat, I meant the Flat Tire Monitor. This system works with the wheel speed sensors of the DSC. On this passive system theres no sensor or anything else in the rims or tires; so every rim "supports" the system. But if you change the tires/rims so that the wheel circumference also changes, the FTM is irritated and asks for recalibration.

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Agree with everything you say! The wheels that were on first are the standard 18" wheels which we will see on the production version. They then put on the 19" CSL wheels. The 19" optional wheels for the production version will be these below. I don't know why there is all this speculation. Seems pretty obvious to me what's going to happen.
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I get it. I have an M3 dude! It's just the M3 om the rear looks cool. If you don't know the answer to my question then don't waste my time with your sarcastic remarks.
Who doesn't want to proudly display their car's heritage, whether it's a "M" badge or otherwise. Yes, we lust after these cars for their performance, but I'll admit that I also want to show my colors; albiet subtly.
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The car's been covered up because this was before the presentation on March 6th. You can see that the car has been "driven" to the place, from where Andi Priaulx started.. Here's a photo of the same car with the already changed concept rims: http://www.mwerks.com/gallery/albums...oncept/031.jpg
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Sorry, I mixed up runflat and FTM. So I didn't mean runflat, I meant the Flat Tire Monitor. This system works with the wheel speed sensors of the DSC. On this passive system theres no sensor or anything else in the rims or tires; so every rim "supports" the system. But if you change the tires/rims so that the wheel circumference also changes, the FTM is irritated and asks for recalibration.

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OK you surely know more about the tire monitoring system than me...but... How do you know which car is which when they are totally covered and all you can see are the rims? I still think they are showing two cars there, one to the public and one behind closed doors. It makes sense, that is the way shows work, Scott said it and there are pictures to support that point of view, along with the CSL elements we can all see on the concept.
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........Scott said it.....
Oh well. If Scott said it.....
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OK you surely know more about the tire monitoring system than me...but... How do you know which car is which when they are totally covered and all you can see are the rims? I still think they are showing two cars there, one to the public and one behind closed doors. It makes sense, that is the way shows work, Scott said it and there are pictures to support that point of view, along with the CSL elements we can all see on the concept.
I do respect what Scott says and everything but didnt he admit he lied to throw us off?
I don't feel like searching for that thread but I know swamp and southlight remembers.
So I say we just sit back and watch wats going on, no more arguing.. things can change and completely throw us off.

Now another question... werent we supposed to learn "a little" more information when the autoshow started on Thursday?
And now that this is over we have to wait till July to see whats up?
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Who doesn't want to proudly display their car's heritage, whether it's a "M" badge or otherwise. Yes, we lust after these cars for their performance, but I'll admit that I also want to show my colors; albiet subtly.
Ecxactly, Thank you DEVO for the back up.:rocks:
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Now another question... werent we supposed to learn "a little" more information when the autoshow started on Thursday?
And now that this is over we have to wait till July to see whats up?
Yeah. This really sucks. We didn't get any specs other than the freakin' wheel sizes.
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OK you surely know more about the tire monitoring system than me...but... How do you know which car is which when they are totally covered and all you can see are the rims? I still think they are showing two cars there, one to the public and one behind closed doors. It makes sense, that is the way shows work, Scott said it and there are pictures to support that point of view, along with the CSL elements we can all see on the concept.
I agree and disagree at same time. I have no doubt at all that there could be another M3 (production version) in Geneva, but we have no pictures imo. We have seen two different rims on a M3 that's covered and we've seen an irritated FTM system (the 19'' production wheels will be 265/35 rear, the Concept rims have 265/30). That makes sense in the way I said, but feel free not to follow this oppinion.

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I do respect what Scott says and everything but didnt he admit he lied to throw us off?
I don't feel like searching for that thread but I know swamp and southlight remembers...
Oh, yeah: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...707#post750707

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Now another question... werent we supposed to learn "a little" more information when the autoshow started on Thursday?
And now that this is over we have to wait till July to see whats up?
A BMW official said in an interview: "We can tell you more in a couple of weeks."


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A BMW official said in an interview: "We can tell you more in a couple of weeks."


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That might explain why the winding road article says they will know about the engine on the 22nd.
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No matter what, always a tease

Sure it was great to see the beast, but all it does is leave us hungry for more facts. BMW is probably doing this totally by design. They sure did a good job of hiding the car until the official launch. I sure would like to get some real specifications but we all know that game as well - it will likely be under rated just like 335i and M5. We won't know much until it gets a thorough magazine test. Luckily I remember it being said somewhere that the exact car we have seen will be driven by the press fairly soon. Didn't someone else recall that as well?

Right now my biggest concern is the availability of SMG or DSG. I just won't buy it with a 6MT.
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