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      03-21-2011, 12:50 AM   #23
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GTR is a nice car. I love to own one if it doesn't have
a transmission problem like this before.


cheek it out before you buy it

http://my350z.com/forum/2009-nissan-...brake-job.html

http://www.passatworld.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=287374
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The GT-R is like a shot of tequila where as the M3 is like sipping fine wine. Which will you choose?
Well sir you don't know your tequila!
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      03-21-2011, 06:46 AM   #25
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Well you're considering the GTR so might as well do it. In the end, it might not satisfy you, but only one way to find out. If you get an older model GTR, you probably won't lose that much money if you decide to get rid of it quickly.
Valid point, I think I'm gonna do it. I will let everyone know my decision and how it goes
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GTR is a nice car. I love to own one if it doesn't have
a transmission problem like this before.


cheek it out before you buy it

http://my350z.com/forum/2009-nissan-...brake-job.html

http://www.passatworld.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=287374
The transmission failures have been a non issue for quite some time now. Nissan changed the launch control feature to be easier on the transmission and to limit the number of consecutive launches. The BMW M-DCT has a similar feature to limit consecutive launches if I remember correctly.
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      03-21-2011, 10:50 AM   #27
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GTR is a nice car. I love to own one if it doesn't have
a transmission problem like this before.


cheek it out before you buy it

http://my350z.com/forum/2009-nissan-...brake-job.html

http://www.passatworld.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=287374



Well Samurai had tuned the thing to over 600 whp and expected to break the transmission sooner or later. They had launched the car over 100 times and didn't really care that it broke, they expected it.

So its not really a fair video in which to criticize Nissan's GTR transmission failures.
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Honestly.. If you're not happy with your M3 after S/C, then for sure you need to sell it. Since there is nothing more you can really do to your car other than boring out the engine, it wont make you happy in the end even if you keep adding on mods. Sell it and get a GTR.. That car is amazing for the price and the 2012 looks awesome. After your done with that jump into a 997TT (Or if you want that super raw ish then Gt3) or Lambo/Ferrari and have a awesome efficient beater on the side (x5 35d, Q7 TDI, cayenne Hybrid, PREEEUSSS).
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997 GT3 is doin it right.

2012 GTR, and an X6M.

Props man!
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If I ever upgrade my M3 (and according to the wife, that will only happen if the car gets totaled in an accident, lol), I would seriously consider the GTR. We have an X5 so I dont need another car with four doors.
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A few months ago I was looking to trade. I decided against it because our cars are way to good looking and insanely beautiful next to the gtr. I park next to a gtr at the gym when we are there at the same time and he doesn't seem to agree. I didn't want to give up the M so I supercharged it...

Still isn't enough for me, well actually it's to much. Crazy power, breaks loose going 50 or so. I haven't ran it hard at all cause i'm no pro and may want/need something more stable. I just read an article that said the 2012 gtr did a 90 degree turn at 130mph and does 0-60 in like 2.9. That's impressive, like $300k super car impressive. A friend of mine who lives down the road from me (different guy then gym guy) said he did this s-turn by our hoods doing 90. I didn't believe it until I read this article.

Should I:
- keep the M because I won't be satisfied with the GTR once I have it.

-Trade

-wait for the 2012, sell the M and spend a little more for it.

I guess I could trade back, there's always an M owner looking for a GTR trade. I have been stuck on this for 3 months.
Pretty sure you are not talking about the stock GTR...pretty sure that is the 2012 Nismo GTR.

I could be mistaken though.

Edit: Nvm just looked up that article and I read that wrong...that is the stock GTR...crazy numbers. Although one thing I will say is keep in mind you will have great acceleration down low, but AWD always looses a lot in the top end. So if you like your top end better I would stick with your M3.

If you want stability like you are talking about definitely get the GTR...I have a friend that drives professionally and he said that you can be a horrible driver and still pull amazing track times with that car. He said it is extremely easy to control and makes tracking your car seem easy. "A toy car" as he put it.

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Still isn't enough for me, well actually it's to much. Crazy power, breaks loose going 50 or so. I haven't ran it hard at all cause i'm no pro and may want/need something more stable. I just read an article that said the 2012 gtr did a 90 degree turn at 130mph and does 0-60 in like 2.9. That's impressive, like $300k super car impressive. A friend of mine who lives down the road from me (different guy then gym guy) said he did this s-turn by our hoods doing 90. I didn't believe it until I read this article.

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Don't want to sound like an ass, but I think you should first invest on driving safe, then invest on performance driving. Sounds like even if you get a GTR, someone with decent track experience is gonna be faster you with a stock M3...
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      03-22-2011, 09:05 PM   #33
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The transmission failures have been a non issue for quite some time now. Nissan changed the launch control feature to be easier on the transmission and to limit the number of consecutive launches. The BMW M-DCT has a similar feature to limit consecutive launches if I remember correctly.
Those tranny problems were happening back when the GTR was using LC1 for their launch control, which launches at 4500rpm. LC2 was flashed which launches at a lower rpm.

GTR is hard to beat for the money. with a few upgrades such as Cobb AP and a midpipe, you'll be seeing 10's in the 1/4 and 600+hp. It is good for basic boltons until you hit about the 550-580awhp mark where then the turbos are basically blowing hot air and the turbos will need to be upgraded. Even then, with stock turbos and the bolt-ons available, low 10's are possible. I say go for the GT-R hands down. Im fairly active on NAGTROC. Check it out for further info.
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      03-23-2011, 12:44 PM   #34
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I think engine that the current M3 has can outdo any suspension set up available then other things like traction and law of physics kick in. There is no way any of the current M3 driver population can push their cars on the streets more than I'd say 60% of what this car can deliver. I'd say get a dragster take it to the strip and get it out of your system and drive your M daily
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"Porsche engineers were able to achieve a lap time of 7:54 with the GT-R, which was brand new from a U.S. dealership. On the same day with the same expert driver, a 911 Turbo test car managed 7:38 and the GT2 achieved 7:34."

http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-po...-lap-time.html
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that last straight was especially insane.
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"Porsche engineers were able to achieve a lap time of 7:54 with the GT-R, which was brand new from a U.S. dealership. On the same day with the same expert driver, a 911 Turbo test car managed 7:38 and the GT2 achieved 7:34."

http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-po...-lap-time.html
regardless of slight differences of numbers, i highly doubt any of us posting in the thread could get anything near those times and keep the cars in one piece.
i know i would certainly be either too scared or dead trying to match their GT2 time.
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"Porsche engineers were able to achieve a lap time of 7:54 with the GT-R, which was brand new from a U.S. dealership. On the same day with the same expert driver, a 911 Turbo test car managed 7:38 and the GT2 achieved 7:34."

http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-po...-lap-time.html
Driver gets good lap time with car he's extremely familiar with.
Doesn't do as well with another car he's barely driven.

I was not surprised when I read Porsche's results.
I'd expect the same thing for any car and any driver.

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A few months ago I was looking to trade. I decided against it because our cars are way to good looking and insanely beautiful next to the gtr. I park next to a gtr at the gym when we are there at the same time and he doesn't seem to agree. I didn't want to give up the M so I supercharged it...

Still isn't enough for me, well actually it's to much. Crazy power, breaks loose going 50 or so. I haven't ran it hard at all cause i'm no pro and may want/need something more stable. I just read an article that said the 2012 gtr did a 90 degree turn at 130mph and does 0-60 in like 2.9. That's impressive, like $300k super car impressive. A friend of mine who lives down the road from me (different guy then gym guy) said he did this s-turn by our hoods doing 90. I didn't believe it until I read this article.

Should I:
- keep the M because I won't be satisfied with the GTR once I have it.

-Trade

-wait for the 2012, sell the M and spend a little more for it.

I guess I could trade back, there's always an M owner looking for a GTR trade. I have been stuck on this for 3 months.
Before you spend a ton of money swapping cars, consider upgrading your tires first (and suspension if you didn't do that already). It doesn't sound like you have to drive your M3 very many miles so you might even consider a street legal track tire...

I had a similar problem with my Camaro. Gobs of power (600+ lbs of torque juiced) but it could never hook up. Tires solved the issue for me.
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Oh, and of course some track time so you don't end up killing yourself
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"Porsche engineers were able to achieve a lap time of 7:54 with the GT-R, which was brand new from a U.S. dealership. On the same day with the same expert driver, a 911 Turbo test car managed 7:38 and the GT2 achieved 7:34."

http://www.leftlanenews.com/claim-po...-lap-time.html
And your point?
Do you think that might be a little biased?


Sport Auto has these results with the same driver:



20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:35 Ruf Rt 12 Sport Auto (02/2008)[25]
7:38 Lexus LFA Horst von Saurma September 2010 Sport Auto conducted test,[26] Bridgestone Potenza S001 tires used.
7:38 Porsche 911 Turbo September 2008 Porsche conducted test,[23] stock vehicle with stock tires
7:38 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 Horst von Saurma October 2009 Sport Auto conducted test,[27] Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires used.
7:38 Nissan GT-R Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (07/2009),[28] Dunlop SP Sport 600 DSST run flat tires used.
7:38 Ferrari 458 Italia Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2010), Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires used.
7:39 Ferrari 430 Scuderia Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (07/2008)[30]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrburgring_lap_times
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