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      03-28-2007, 04:08 AM   #45
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There is no more luxury tax on cars in the US. Now, the M3 will almost certainly be smacked with a sizable gas guzzler tax, though.

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      03-28-2007, 06:47 AM   #46
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... It is a chance to move the M brand up.
The M brand goes up to over $110k. I don't think this is "their" chance to move the brand up. It is already there.
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Given the E92's suggested performance and quality, I would think they should charge a starting price of $68,000. Although i can't afford it at that price, i think that's what they should charge for it...
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Given the E92's suggested performance and quality, I would think they should charge a starting price of $68,000. Although i can't afford it at that price, i think that's what they should charge for it...
For a base price of $68k, I would definitely be inclined to look elsewhere. The main advance over the last generation is the engine. A base of $54-55 is reasonable, and likely.
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Given the E92's suggested performance and quality, I would think they should charge a starting price of $68,000. Although i can't afford it at that price, i think that's what they should charge for it...
That's like buying a house and telling the seller that you liked the house so much that you're going to pay him $10,000 more than he asked, because that's what you think it's worth..... I wouldn't want you in charge of my finances!
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That's like buying a house and telling the seller that you liked the house so much that you're going to pay him $10,000 more than he asked, because that's what you think it's worth..... I wouldn't want you in charge of my finances!
Hahahaha...well i'm just stating my opinion. Personally for that price, i wouldn't consider a porsche a superior car which is what it is up against. What else is there to consider besides an RS4 which im sure will be out performed??
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For a base price of $68k, I would definitely be inclined to look elsewhere. The main advance over the last generation is the engine. A base of $54-55 is reasonable, and likely.

I don't understand the logic. At the moment the RS4 is clearly the best vehicle in the class. If the new M3 matches or exceeds that level then there is little reason to believe it couldn't be priced similarly. BMW must know this.
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The RS4 is more luxurious, plus has 4 wheel drive where the M3 really has neither. I would think that the M3 can be, and should be, priced less than an RS4 for these reasons.
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The RS4 is more luxurious, plus has 4 wheel drive where the M3 really has neither. I would think that the M3 can be, and should be, priced less than an RS4 for these reasons.
That's pretty much it.
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I have had a deposit on an M3 since 9/05, but the higher the msrp on the M3, the more inclined I am to look at a 2006 M5. By the time the M3 comes out, the M5 will probably be offered at BMW dealerships as a Certified Pre Owned w/ warranty to 100k miles. I do not care about the manual 6 sp transmission(technology has overtaken true manual trans.) . I have driven the SMG in the M5 and it wouldn't bother me a bit to have that car even though I think the M3 will be much more of a head turner. Plus, the two rear doors will help get my boys out of the car a little easier.
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Proportional to M5??

Isn't it logical to believe the E92 M3 base price increase over the E46 (percentage), will be similar/close to the increase of the E60 M5 price over the E39? There IS a similar level of improvement between the two over their previous generations, no? (overall performance, motor, exterior features, suspension, wheels, interior pieces, computer tech (and the M5 GOT the hot new transmission at the time, the M3 isn't going to, initially)

Isn't it reasonable to think?

Original Retail Price (MSRP)
03' BMW M5 : $70,400
06' BMW M5 : $81,200
.... = 15.34% increase

06' BMW M3 : $48,900
08' BMW M3 : $56,401 [estimate - ($48,900 x 1.1534)]

I'm on record to say base price will be less than $57,000.

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      03-28-2007, 12:58 PM   #56
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I think you are making the wrong comparisons.

The E46 M3 and the S4 are natural competitors which are similar in pricing whereas the RS4 is a whole higher level. If the the new E9X V8 M3 is to re-take the everyday performance car crown (and by the way match the considerable escalation the RS4 now requires for that mantle) it will be a lot more expensive than the E46 M3.

But hey, nobody knows yet, we'll find out in time. And if I'm wrong it is all good. But why would BMW want to leave too much money on the table. It is a chance to move the M brand up.
Audi S-lines have always sit above the normal BMW equivalent non-M product in the 3 series.
Pre MY2007
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E46 M3 vs RS4 - performance
550i vs S6
M5 vs RS6
???? vs S8

Future 2010+ Line up
E90 335i vs Audi S4
E90 M3 vs Audi RS4
F10 550i vs Audi S6
F10 M5 vs Audi RS6
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      03-28-2007, 02:11 PM   #57
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I don't understand the logic. At the moment the RS4 is clearly the best vehicle in the class. If the new M3 matches or exceeds that level then there is little reason to believe it couldn't be priced similarly. BMW must know this.
That is how i feel although i think a direct competitor to the M3 is the 911 or C class AMG.
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The RS4 is more luxurious, plus has 4 wheel drive where the M3 really has neither. I would think that the M3 can be, and should be, priced less than an RS4 for these reasons.
agreed
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      03-28-2007, 11:53 PM   #59
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Given the E92's suggested performance and quality, I would think they should charge a starting price of $68,000. Although i can't afford it at that price, i think that's what they should charge for it...
Well thank GOD you don't work for BMW . I'll be willing to bet just about anything that it will not have an MSRP of $68K. In fact I'd guess that most well equipped M3's will come out to around or less than $68K.
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      03-29-2007, 12:58 PM   #60
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Isn't it logical to believe the E92 M3 base price increase over the E46 (percentage), will be similar/close to the increase of the E60 M5 price over the E39? There IS a similar level of improvement between the two over their previous generations, no? (overall performance, motor, exterior features, suspension, wheels, interior pieces, computer tech (and the M5 GOT the hot new transmission at the time, the M3 isn't going to, initially)

Isn't it reasonable to think?

Original Retail Price (MSRP)
03' BMW M5 : $70,400
06' BMW M5 : $81,200
.... = 15.34% increase

06' BMW M3 : $48,900
08' BMW M3 : $56,401 [estimate - 06' ($48,900 x 1.1534)]

I'm on record to say base price will be less than $57,000.
I'd agree with your logic, if for any reason because BMW has a loyal customer base that they want to retain. Too large of a price jump between generations will prompt some loyalists to go elsewhere - perception is key. At any rate, it's hard to directly compare and rationalize the difference in price between like BMW and Audi cars. Each company builds their cars a little differently, they have different design, R&D, production and distribution costs, they have different marketing goals, etc, etc.. Relative to the high RS4price, IMO Audi is using it to fatten up their profits by building exclusivity within their existing product line, without the risk losing their loyal customer base. Let's face it, they still have all those A4's and S4's to sell.
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Isn't it logical to believe the E92 M3 base price increase over the E46 (percentage), will be similar/close to the increase of the E60 M5 price over the E39? There IS a similar level of improvement between the two over their previous generations, no? (overall performance, motor, exterior features, suspension, wheels, interior pieces, computer tech (and the M5 GOT the hot new transmission at the time, the M3 isn't going to, initially)

Isn't it reasonable to think?

Original Retail Price (MSRP)
03' BMW M5 : $70,400
06' BMW M5 : $81,200
.... = 15.34% increase

06' BMW M3 : $48,900
08' BMW M3 : $56,401 [estimate - 06' ($48,900 x 1.1534)]

I'm on record to say base price will be less than $57,000.
I'd agree with your logic, if for any reason because BMW has a loyal customer base that they want to retain. Too large of a price jump between generations will prompt some loyalists to go elsewhere - perception is key. At any rate, it's hard to directly compare and rationalize the difference in price between like BMW and Audi cars. Each company builds their cars a little differently, they have different design, R&D, production and distribution costs, they have different marketing goals, etc, etc.. Relative to the high RS4price, IMO Audi is using it to fatten up their profits by building exclusivity within their existing product line, without the risk losing their loyal customer base. Let's face it, they still have all those A4's and S4's to sell.
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Isn't it reasonable to think?

Original Retail Price (MSRP)
03' BMW M5 : $70,400
06' BMW M5 : $81,200
.... = 15.34% increase

06' BMW M3 : $48,900
08' BMW M3 : $56,401 [estimate - ($48,900 x 1.1534)]

I'm on record to say base price will be less than $57,000.
Hopefully that's the case
then we'll be looking at 65K OTD with some what decent option

I'd rather buy a Prius if they price the base with 68k...
man the drive out price would be over 80K....that's just plain retarded...
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I just talked to Bellevue BMW dealer today about the deposit for the M3. He told me there is no such a thing. He also told me that is pointless to do that, caz it dont mean anything for place a deposit. And they will not accept any. Their service is always suck. I have purchased my E90 from them.

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Isn't it logical to believe the E92 M3 base price increase over the E46 (percentage), will be similar/close to the increase of the E60 M5 price over the E39? There IS a similar level of improvement between the two over their previous generations, no? (overall performance, motor, exterior features, suspension, wheels, interior pieces, computer tech (and the M5 GOT the hot new transmission at the time, the M3 isn't going to, initially)

Isn't it reasonable to think?

Original Retail Price (MSRP)
03' BMW M5 : $70,400
06' BMW M5 : $81,200
.... = 15.34% increase

06' BMW M3 : $48,900

08' BMW M3 : $56,401 [estimate - ($48,900 x 1.1534)]

I'm on record to say base price will be less than $57,000.
I don't believe your logic will hold true, although I'm pulling for you. The reason being; the M3 is an all new car when compred to the Coupe. The only components that the M3 shares with the current coupe is just a couple of body panels and nothing more, even details such as head lamps or tail lamps are different. This is not the case for the M5, where all parts except the engine, suspension and brakes are identical to the highly mass produced 5 series.
Which leads me to wonder will BMW price this car at a reasonable level and think volume or will they go after exclusivity and higher price!
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When will the car be available in the US? I asked my dealer and they didn't know, but they thought the car would price in the high 60's w/options.
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When will the car be available in the US? I asked my dealer and they didn't know, but they thought the car would price in the high 60's w/options.
Nobody knows yet, though the consensus is that it will be in the states in early '08 and have an MSRP of somewhere in the mid to high $50K range.
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