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      02-01-2012, 10:41 AM   #9703
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Pretty much, technically if you put a post 74 engine that was factory fitted with emissions devices then I believe you have to retain the emissions stuff but on a pre 74 car it's not like anyone is ever going to check up on you as long as it isn't obnoxiously loud so basically do whatever you want
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Another fun smog topic not too many people are clear on. The Biannual smog testing is not a state wide program, it varies by county actually. The following counties are completely exempt to the biannual testing regardless of what year the vehicle is:

Alpine
Amador
Calaveras
Del Norte
Humboldt
Imperial
Inyo
Lake
Lassen
Mariposa
Mendocino
Modoc
Mono
Plumas
Sierra
Siskiyou
Trinity
Tuolumne

And portions of these 6 counties are exempt based on zip code:

El Dorado
Placer
Riverside
San Bernardino
San Diego
Sonoma
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Pretty much, technically if you put a post 74 engine that was factory fitted with emissions devices then I believe you have to retain the emissions stuff but on a pre 74 car it's not like anyone is ever going to check up on you as long as it isn't obnoxiously loud so basically do whatever you want
Hmm, good to know. There are so many cool swaps that I can think of, sadly, I do not have the money for these projects lol
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      02-01-2012, 12:42 PM   #9706
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There is an interesting thread on e46 right now regarding the "best" NA engine of all time. It's clear from the answers that most of those guys don't know anything about cars lol.

What do you guys think?

I think the Honda F20c is one of the best (if not, the best) engines of all time. For it's size, it makes an incredible amount of power (nearly 125hp/L), has a 9000 redline, and will last for 500,000 miles (more, I'm sure, but no F20c has reached that yet) with nothing more than oil changes.

Some of you guys will probably think that I'm crazy, but I know Jason has to agree (at least partly) with me on this one lol.
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I think the Honda F20c is one of the best (if not, the best) engines of all time.
Honda makes great engines. I agree with that. Their engines are built to run forever.
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NA 20b 3 rotor for me. Non turbo rotary engines are very reliable and the 3 rotor makes about the same power as a decently modded turbo 2 rotor, plus the exhaust note of a 20b with port work is damn sexy.



Ive always loved the Chevy dz302 as well, a small block v8 that would rev past 7000rpm from the factory in 1967 is damn cool.
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Pretty much, technically if you put a post 74 engine that was factory fitted with emissions devices then I believe you have to retain the emissions stuff but on a pre 74 car it's not like anyone is ever going to check up on you as long as it isn't obnoxiously loud so basically do whatever you want
this is truth... i would've answered this last night when i came home at 430am but was too tired haha.

hmmm, thinking about it... didn't the smog laws first comeinto place around 1968? i thought it was car's and engine pre-68? more than likely you're correct though.


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There is an interesting thread on e46 right now regarding the "best" NA engine of all time. It's clear from the answers that most of those guys don't know anything about cars lol.

What do you guys think?

I think the Honda F20c is one of the best (if not, the best) engines of all time. For it's size, it makes an incredible amount of power (nearly 125hp/L), has a 9000 redline, and will last for 500,000 miles (more, I'm sure, but no F20c has reached that yet) with nothing more than oil changes.

Some of you guys will probably think that I'm crazy, but I know Jason has to agree (at least partly) with me on this one lol.
i agree 100%... F20C is probably one of the greatest NA engines EVER MADE (piston powered).

with that said....

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NA 20b 3 rotor for me. Non turbo rotary engines are very reliable and the 3 rotor makes about the same power as a decently modded turbo 2 rotor, plus the exhaust note of a 20b with port work is damn sexy.



Ive always loved the Chevy dz302 as well, a small block v8 that would rev past 7000rpm from the factory in 1967 is damn cool.
i also agree here... the 20B 3-rotor. 2L... makes about 250hp. so about the same as the F20C BUT i think the 20B didn't come naturally aspirated did it? you had to physically remove the turbos to convert it to NA. i'm sure i'm wrong but i've never claimed to be all knowing. haha
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So cars over a certain age don't have to pass any emissions tests, right? Does that mean that a person can put an engine in the car that was never allowed in the USA and make it legal?
They don't have to pass emissions because of the year of the engine and associated emissions equipment at that time e.g. 1960s, not because of the car's chassis....
That's why Hotrodders like to work on older engine blocks and tune them up, its sort of a way around the rule..
So as soon as you put an engine built in 2007 into your older car, you need to have 2007 emissions equipment.

According to the article you cannot use a foreign engine. See bottom of Page 2...
http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resour.../engswitch.pdf

Another situation recently brought to EPA's attention involves the offering for sale of used foreign-built
engines. These engines are often not covered by a certified configuration for any vehicle sold in this
country. In such a case, there is no way to install such an engine legally. EPA has recently brought
enforcement actions against certain parties who have violated the tampering prohibition by performing
illegal engine switches.


Page 2 at the bottom says something else about the model year...

It should be noted that....the EPA's policy allows engine switches as long as the resulting vehicle matches exactly to any certified configuration of the same or newer model year as the chassis...

So the older the chassis the more engine options you have...I personally like the style of the E92 meaning my engine choices are 2007+ only. I can't go and put in a Supra's 2JZGTE into an E92 Chassis...that would be one sweet conversion though....

Article that explains the same thing a bit more...
http://www.jagsthatrun.com/Pages/Che..._V-8_Smog.html

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According to the article you cannot use a foreign engine. See bottom of Page 2...
http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resour.../engswitch.pdf

Another situation recently brought to EPA's attention involves the offering for sale of used foreign-built engines. These engines are often not covered by a certified configuration for any vehicle sold in this country. In such a case, there is no way to install such an engine legally. EPA has recently brought enforcement actions against certain parties who have violated the tampering prohibition by performing illegal engine switches.


Page 2 at the bottom says something else about the model year...

It should be noted that....the EPA's policy allows engine switches as long as the resulting vehicle matches exactly to any certified configuration of the same or newer model year as the chassis...

So the older the chassis the more engine options you have...I personally like the style of the E92 meaning my engine choices are 2007+ only.

Article that explains the same thing a bit more...
http://www.jagsthatrun.com/Pages/Che..._V-8_Smog.html
i apologize for not being more clear earlier: what you say is soooo true. you're technically not allowed to put older engines in newer cars. Hence why most of the honda crowd has opted to go for the newer K-series engines and putting them into old B-series bodies vs putting older b-series engines into newer style honda bodies. Plus the older motors don't have the torque to pull the heavier cars.

about the foreign engines... this is something the honda crowd ignores hahaha.we get all our engines from Japan. the euro-spec (in terms of BMWs) and JDM engines produce more power so of course we want to have them in our cars over here. the nature of being a car guy.

thanks for posting yousif. good info. needed a reminder
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i apologize for not being more clear earlier: what you say is soooo true. you're technically not allowed to put older engines in newer cars. Hence why most of the honda crowd has opted to go for the newer K-series engines and putting them into old B-series bodies vs putting older b-series engines into newer style honda bodies. Plus the older motors don't have the torque to pull the heavier cars.

about the foreign engines... this is something the honda crowd ignores hahaha.we get all our engines from Japan. the euro-spec (in terms of BMWs) and JDM engines produce more power so of course we want to have them in our cars over here. the nature of being a car guy.

thanks for posting yousif. good info. needed a reminder
It's all good, because the Honda J-spec engines are so similar to the USDM versions its very hard for the authorities to determine very easily, e.g. visually, that they are illegal, additionally several from the JDM crowd are just evil geniuses when it comes to passing emissions with JDM engines...

If the rules were different you would see A LOT more rb26dett swaps
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It's all good, because the Honda J-spec engines are so similar to the USDM versions its very hard for the authorities to determine very easily, e.g. visually, that they are illegal, additionally several from the JDM crowd are just evil geniuses when it comes to passing emissions with JDM engines...

If the rules were different you would see A LOT more rb26dett swaps
speaking of rb26... you coming out tonight? i've got something to show you. GTR content.
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Well what true autophile could refuse GTR content?

I'll see you there, should I bring headphones? Anyone got a set of those tiny mobile speakers?
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Well what true autophile could refuse GTR content?

I'll see you there, should I bring headphones? Anyone got a set of those tiny mobile speakers?
no need.
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no need.
waaaaaaaaait...whaaaaaaaaaaaat????
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I can't think of many older engines that I would put in a newer body, but the other way around.... I can think of many good swaps.

I saw a Datsun 1500 the other day and was thinking of how cool an RB swap would be (not even sure if the 1500 can handle that sort of power lol).
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speaking of rb26... you coming out tonight? i've got something to show you. GTR content.
Explain nao.
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the head is off... waiting on a few things. that is all i'll say.
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nope... gotta be home really early.
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7am isnt' early

I get up around there every day lol

ummm, my class STARTS at 7am... i have to up at 4:50am
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