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      03-06-2011, 05:50 PM   #1
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Stuck wheel lugs

I installed my HRE P40s in November, torqued them to 88 ft with a hand wrench, and 3 months later cannot get them off using same torque wrench. Tried a Craftsman socket, which split. Then used a Bavarian Motor Works socket, and the shear pin on the socket failed. Today I purchased an dual piston impact wrench and an appropriate solid socket. Before I make a complete mess of things, will someone please tell me the impact wrench won't send me to the idiot's hall of fame?

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Why would you use a torque wrench to unscrew them?

I cant imagine if you torque them at 88 ft/lbs that you wouldnt be able to unscrew them,
forget the impact and try the good 'ole biggest cross bar you can find to get leverage, try to even step on the bar and ride it with your weight if necessary.

Now, if that doesnt work, I hope you didnt crossed thread it On when you put in On the last time. Dealer or Machinist is your next stop. KACHINNNNG$$
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You can get a breaker bar for $20 at home depot. I've heard you can fk up a torque wrench by using it to remove lugs.
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You can get a breaker bar for $20 at home depot. I've heard you can fk up a torque wrench by using it to remove lugs.
Yeah, don't use your torque wrench to remove bolts!
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Why would you use a torque wrench to unscrew them?

I cant imagine if you torque them at 88 ft/lbs that you wouldnt be able to unscrew them,
forget the impact and try the good 'ole biggest cross bar you can find to get leverage, try to even step on the bar and ride it with your weight if necessary.

Now, if that doesnt work, I hope you didnt crossed thread it On when you put in On the last time. Dealer or Machinist is your next stop. KACHINNNNG$$
Nice avatar, or whatever. I have a total of 20 lugs that are stuck. I can only assume I did not cross thread all 20.

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Ahh. Did not know the torque wrench is for application, not removal. I stupidly bought the impact wrench. Can I still use with impunity?
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Sears Craftsman 3/4" drive slide bar. It has a round shaft,so You can easily slip a pipe over it for leverage.
Then get a 17mm 3/4 drive 6 pt socket. I dare You to break it, even standing on it. Also get a 3/4 to 1/2 adapter so You can use it with all Your 1/2" drive sockets.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...&blockType=G88
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I have a 25" breaker bar from Harbor Freight, 1/2" drive, think it cost about $15. It will loosen your bolts with ease.
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      03-07-2011, 08:34 AM   #9
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Thanks all. Save me a trip to the dealer.
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Why would you use a torque wrench to unscrew them?
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One must think the lug bolts are out of spec. Did they go on easily? Maybe they stretched when torqued? Are they the OEM bolts, or did you get them with the wheels?
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Tried a Craftsman socket, which split. Then used a Bavarian Motor Works socket, and the shear pin on the socket failed.
You weren't using 3/8" drive sockets, where you? Quality 1/2" drive ones are pretty stout.
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One must think the lug bolts are out of spec. Did they go on easily? Maybe they stretched when torqued?
I was thinking the same exact thing +1
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One must think the lug bolts are out of spec. Did they go on easily? Maybe they stretched when torqued? Are they the OEM bolts, or did you get them with the wheels?
Stock. Went on fine. Came off fine when I got the 2011, then used the stock 11 lugs to put the P40s back on.

Should I use a lubricant or graphite on the threads?
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Should I use a lubricant or graphite on the threads?
No, no, no. Never do that on fasteners to be torqued to spec, unless called for.
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I cant imagine if you torque them at 88 ft/lbs that you wouldnt be able to unscrew them
You can't remove a bolt torqued to 88 lb/fts with 88 lb/fts even a minute after installation. Check your physics 101 book .
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Ahh. Did not know the torque wrench is for application, not removal. I stupidly bought the impact wrench. Can I still use with impunity?
Why are you stupid for buying an impact wrench? I always use an impact wrench to remove lugs. If you change tires frequently (i.e. for track days / servicing brakes and suspension), then it is an invaluable tool. If you have the proper socket, it should get them off no problem.
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ok 1st you dont use torque wrench to removed any type of screws.

heres what you need to do ...

3 steps.
1. get one wheel lock and screw them back in next to the the siezed lock
2. get another wheel lock and screw them on the other side.. basically you have to put 2 wheel locks next to the one that is siezed...
3. torque both at 90
4. removed the one that is siezed.
5 remove the rest.

i guess 5 fives...

let me know if you dont get it ill draw it...
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ok 1st you dont use torque wrench to removed any type of screws.

heres what you need to do ...

3 steps.
1. get one wheel lock and screw them back in next to the the siezed lock
2. get another wheel lock and screw them on the other side.. basically you have to put 2 wheel locks next to the one that is siezed...
3. torque both at 90
4. removed the one that is siezed.
5 remove the rest.

i guess 5 fives...

let me know if you dont get it ill draw it...
Thanks, good advice. Most of my lugs are seized, so the bracket technique won't work.
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Update: 380 ft impact wrench did not work on most of the lugs. Set to 5, twin hammer wrench stalled. Nitro glycerine is next.
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Have you tried the giant breaker bar idea? That will often succeed where other methods fail. Tempting though it may be, do NOT lube your bolts on re-installation, because that will throw your torque specs totally out of whack. You will probably want new bolts though, because whatever is going on here is likely not good.
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Thanks, good advice. Most of my lugs are seized, so the bracket technique won't work.
oh crap sorry to hear bro... damn i know how you feel specially with that HRE on it...
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