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      03-02-2011, 03:22 PM   #23
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I would think the mod prices on the BMW are much better... tune, IC, DP, meth... <3K and >117mph trap

For a SS to reach this... i don't know... but I would guess cam and heads at least. labor alone would put you at >2K... unless everyone's doing their own work... doubt it. Or supercharger at >5K

Plus BMW has a great advantage with Meth. for a SS to reach good traps it needs low DA
I'm with you to a point. For breaking into the high 11's, I would say the N54 is going to be more cost effective (assuming the LS3/L99 powered Camaro isn't running nitrous, as that changes the game a bit).

Although as greater power levels are sought, the N54 will see diminishing returns IMO. I think our biggest Achilles heal will of course be our lack of fuel at a certain point. Honestly though, quite a few of the L99/LS3 guys seem to be trapping between 111mph to 117mph with basic bolt-ons (intake, exhaust, headers & tune), making them a pretty good run for the money with the N54 at sea level (up at my altitude where the closest drag strip/Bandimere is 5800 ft elevation, it's a different story/turbo cars have a big advantage):

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...19&postcount=2

^^^Of course, they also have guys that have broken into the 8's, but that's to be expected when boosted with a built motor on those cars.

Once they boost those cars (large initial investment obviously, around ~$6000 or so in most cases), quite a few cars on that list seem to be trapping over 120+mph. Tough to find a N54 that can do that, even with every bolt-on available on meth.

We have a pretty decent initial advantage (although we have the play catchup from the factory), but as power levels increase, the big LS-powered car has the advantage IMO.
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      03-02-2011, 03:27 PM   #24
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This++ unreal. I do love the CTS-V for sure. That thing must be mind-blowing to drive.
now the insane thing is that thats only stage 1 and ill put out ~900whp...there is a stage 2 that drops the eaton supercharger and straps the kenne bell one on there and puts out ~1200whp....then u have stage 3 that drops the blower altogether and straps on a twin turbo kit....1400whp
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Out of all the muscle cars, the 11 Mustang GT is the one to worry about.
Judging by the amount of videos on youtube of various '03 cobra's destroying tuned 335's, I'd say this is an understatement.
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Judging by the amount of videos on youtube of various '03 cobra's destroying tuned 335's, I'd say this is an understatement.
A terminator is in an entire different league than a 5.0.

I have driven a tuned terminator with a new pulley (stock sc) and it would murder a 5.0. The torque is ridiculous and you can make them fast as hell for cheap bc they are fi stock.

They are insane. Cobra > 5.0 for pure speed/power
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A terminator is in an entire different league than a 5.0.

I have driven a tuned terminator with a new pulley (stock sc) and it would murder a 5.0. The torque is ridiculous and you can make them fast as hell for cheap bc they are fi stock.

They are insane. Cobra > 5.0 for pure speed/power
Yeah, the only thing '03 Cobra's bow to on the highway is the supra. The supra has to be tuned like hell, but it can charm the snake.
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Judging by the amount of videos on youtube of various '03 cobra's destroying tuned 335's, I'd say this is an understatement.
I'd be more worried racing a Terminator Cobra than a new 5.0, even in stock form they are underrated and put down between 375-390 whp
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I'd be more worried racing a Terminator Cobra than a new 5.0, even in stock form they are underrated and put down between 375-390 whp
I used to go to the dragstrip a ton, a few years ago, and I've never seen a snake do better than 13.5 stock (75 degrees). This was when they first came out, before all the mods.
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The Terminator Cobra can barely win a drag race against a tuned 335i....

as long as it's going in reverse
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Racing on highway doing 140 is also fun way to spend a night in jail
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I would expect more as well, but then again, we don't know the specifics. For all we know his numbers could be on a low reading Mustang Dyno, uncorrected at a high elevation or in 120 degree conditions.

We also don't know the specs on said car; could be a very mild street cam, relatively small blower pushing <5psi boost, with very rich AFR's and conservative timing tables.

Although typically the GM LS-motors take pretty damn well to making big power. Either way though, I'm sure it's probably a hoot to drive!
It was a Mustang. He pointed out that on the same dyno, his SS baseline dyno was 319 RWHP. So it's pretty good. He also pointed out the Vette ZR1 puts down around 525 RWHP on the same dyno.

Here is a summary of his mods:

# Magnacharger Supercharger
# 3.600 pulley
# Borla Long Tube Headers
# Borla Exhaust
# LS9 camshaft 211/230 .562/.568 LSA 122.5

And a custom tune by the company that dynoed it.
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Ive had a 2010 ls3 Camaro so I can speak from experience here. I had intake, tune , cat back exhaust, thermostat , and a short throw shifter. First gear on 315 pirellis was useless. Nothing but spinning. However the car still propelled forward. I raced my buddies fully modded 335 various times. The second I hit second gear it was all over. I pulled like a freight train. By the time I got to third it wasnt even close anymore. I have no reason to defend the car as I have sold it already. The op probably raced one with slight mods. Intake tune maybe exhaust. I can tell u this. If it were stock you would have beaten him significantly especially up to those speeds. I also raced a 5.0 that was bone stock with 3.31 gears and beat him worse then I beat the modded 335. That being said, not by much. Needless to say . My new car on order is a 5.0 and because of the weight and how well it reacts to modifications. Im confident it would have blown my Camaros doors off.
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If I'm not mistaken, only the 6-speed manual comes with the LS3, whereas the auto has a different engine code designator (L99 if I'm not mistaken).

Either way, while the new 5.0 Mustang is potent for sure, some publications have been pulling higher trap speeds in the LS3 powered Camaro:

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...07775a541f.pdf
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mparison_tests

I've driven both, and while they have similar peak power numbers (426hp vs 412hp, with the Stang having a lower curb weight to help offset differences in peak power), with the LS3 having a bit more of an advantage in the torque department, the big 6.2L really feels stronger all around IMO. Granted, it's a larger displacement pushrod motor, so low end torque is expected to be stronger (it is), that motor just gives the impression of having a larger overall usable powerband. Whereas in comparison the 5.0 feels more like a high revver (32V DOHC motor with VVT on both sides, it's to be expected).

With that said, I prefer the chassis of the 'Stang as well as the visibility (no joke, the Camaro's visibility really is horrid all around), but with publications and private owners trapping at 111+mph in stock form with the new SS (at sea level of course), it's no joke.

Just my $.02
The L99 engine code on the automatics simply means that the engine has cylinder deactivation in order to get better gas mileage. Its still the same block and heads, just a different crankshaft and ecu.
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The SS has an LS3 Corvette motor. In the 6 speed it is rated at 426HP. In the auto it is rated at 400HP.
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If I'm not mistaken, only the 6-speed manual comes with the LS3, whereas the auto has a different engine code designator (L99 if I'm not mistaken).

Either way, while the new 5.0 Mustang is potent for sure, some publications have been pulling higher trap speeds in the LS3 powered Camaro:

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...07775a541f.pdf
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mparison_tests

I've driven both, and while they have similar peak power numbers (426hp vs 412hp, with the Stang having a lower curb weight to help offset differences in peak power), with the LS3 having a bit more of an advantage in the torque department, the big 6.2L really feels stronger all around IMO. Granted, it's a larger displacement pushrod motor, so low end torque is expected to be stronger (it is), that motor just gives the impression of having a larger overall usable powerband. Whereas in comparison the 5.0 feels more like a high revver (32V DOHC motor with VVT on both sides, it's to be expected).

With that said, I prefer the chassis of the 'Stang as well as the visibility (no joke, the Camaro's visibility really is horrid all around), but with publications and private owners trapping at 111+mph in stock form with the new SS (at sea level of course), it's no joke.

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For the 4.3 L (260 cu in) Generation II engine of the same RPO, see GM LT Engine
The L99 is derived from the LS3 with reduced output but adds Active Fuel Management (formerly called Displacement on Demand), which allows it to run on only four cylinders during light load conditions. Applications:
2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS (Automatic Transmission)
In terms of power, LS3 has a big advantage over the L99.


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The L99 engine code on the automatics simply means that the engine has cylinder deactivation in order to get better gas mileage. Its still the same block and heads, just a different cam and ecu.
The displacement is different as well.
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The Camaro is a cool car but it's a battleship. It's huge. Unless you absolutely need 4 seats you could get a C6 and come away better off.
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The Mustang GT and Boss 302 are the cars BMW needs to be watching out for. Ford is upping the Anti.
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The Camaro is a cool car but it's a battleship. It's huge. Unless you absolutely need 4 seats you could get a C6 and come away better off.
That is nearly double the price of the Camaro though.
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That is nearly double the price of the Camaro though.
I thought the Camaro with options was around $35k-$40k.

I've seen new C6s as cheap as $40k for no options other than Z51. It seems close enough to where the extra cost would be worthwhile, given how much more performance you get. Unless you need back seats.
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In terms of power, LS3 has a big advantage over the L99.




The displacement is different as well.
Wrong. Displacement is exactly the same because they share the EXACT SAME BLOCK AND HEADS. The biggest difference is the engine management and a different crankshaft, which I said in my first post on this thread. If you don't believe me then do the research yourself.
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I just realized that I typed in "camshaft" and not crankshaft in my first post. Sorry, it was a typo. You can't have a camshaft with a pushrod engine...

mia culpa, the post has been edited.
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