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      02-21-2011, 10:02 PM   #23
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      02-21-2011, 10:25 PM   #24
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OP... do yourself a favor, go drive a ZCP e92 and a non ZCP e92 and decide for yourself which feels better. I think you'll find that the difference, if any, is negligible. But again, the only opinion that matters here is yours. A little consumer self-education will go a long way in making you happy with your decision. Let us know what you decide.
Fully agreed!

OP: I had a 08 M3 and recently traded it for an 11 M3 ZCP. Both cars were identical in options except for ZCP. The ZCP feels stiffer in comfort and normal even though the EDC isn't any different. I figured it must be the 10mm lowered suspension and wider wheels. It is very comfortable but this is a personal opinion. You should drive both and decide for yourself. For me, I track my vehicle so ZCP along with wider rubber made sense.

Good luck with your choice and keep us informed on what you decided.
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      02-21-2011, 11:08 PM   #25
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Fellas, for those of you turning in a '08 for '11ZCP, keep in mind your suspension deteriorates over time. I'm sure if you got an '11 non-zcp, the car will feel tighter because it is brand new.

ZCP on the track in sport mode, you will feel the difference. Daily driving you may not.

Sport mode on the track gains me 2 seconds from normal and this is on a very bumpy track. AND on the track 2 seconds is a very good gain.
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      02-22-2011, 01:13 AM   #26
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Jeramy Clarkson says ZCP sucks. How dare you get ZCP after the great Clarkson has spoken. Clarkson also says that ZCP makes no difference unless you go over bumpy roads, in which case it sucks.
It's no accident that his initials are J.C.. He is a living God.
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      02-22-2011, 03:45 AM   #27
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It's no accident that his initials are J.C.. He is a living God.
That's why he's a legend in his own mind!!!
But seriously, I love my ZCP car. No worries about being too stiff and all that even when I engage sports mode which I usually do just for the heck of it.
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      02-22-2011, 09:10 PM   #28
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I got ZCP for looks and for exclusivity

M3 is fast enough and I don't care if one is a fraction of a second faster than the other
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      02-22-2011, 10:34 PM   #29
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The ZCP sedan I drove rode just fine. Certainly better than my Z06, which I don't consider to be punishing by any means wither.
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      02-22-2011, 10:43 PM   #30
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Spring rates for both versions are the same.The differences are in the spring heights.The shocks have also been modified to be in the sweet spot for the lower ride height.So in short you might feel a very slight difference in ride characteristics between the two,but honestly it will not be night and day.

Love my ZCP its just a brilliant ride
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      02-22-2011, 10:47 PM   #31
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no complaints with my ZCP choice. Honestly it comes down to your preference tho. I test drove both a ZCP and non ZCP M3 (both with edc), and could not feel a difference in normal or comfort mode. Maybe my a$$ isn't that sensitive tho...
^^This.

There is no discernable difference between a normal M3 and a ZCP equipped M3 in terms of stiffness. My AW ZCP coupe feels the same as my previous IB sedan in terms of road compliance.


O.P., get the ZCP package. It is fine for daily driving.


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Who? That isn't something you will hear around here. I hope you are not swayed by JC's "astute" observation that when set to it's firmest setting EDC is stiffer than in Normal.
...but it is, in fact, stiffer on its firmest setting!


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The only difference between zcp and non zcp is the sport mode, of which I never intend to use, plus I much prefer the non zcp wheels, made it a no brained. Zcp is all looks and marketing.
Actually, all EDC modes with ZCP are variable; non-ZCP cars only have a variable Normal mode (..Comfort and Sport are fixed).

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      02-22-2011, 10:53 PM   #32
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ZCP comes with DDC. You're all set if you must have the 19" wheel.

If you have nasty roads littered with potholes in your commute, consider the DDC and the stock 18" wheels.
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      02-23-2011, 11:29 AM   #33
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I know all lot of comp package stiff ride is blamed on the 19 inch wheels, i was just wondering, when Top Gear initially tested M3 (Hammond driving) they had a space grey coupe with 19inch as well (220m). Most of the M3s that I see around have 220Ms. I hardly see any aorund with the standard 18 inch wheels.
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      02-23-2011, 11:41 AM   #34
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I retrofitted my '09 M3 that came with 19" 220Ms with the ZCP suspension and 19" 359Ms. There was no real difference in stiffness at all. In fact, I also upgraded my tires from 245f/265r to 255f/275r, and if anything, the increase in sidewall height made the car ride a little softer.
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      02-23-2011, 12:13 PM   #35
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I heard that the ZCP wheels are Cast while the regular 19" M wheels are Forged. Is that true?
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      02-23-2011, 12:21 PM   #36
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If you have ZCP, ZCP is the SHIT
If you don't have ZCP, ZCP is SHIT
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      02-23-2011, 12:24 PM   #37
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I heard that the ZCP wheels are Cast while the regular 19" M wheels are Forged. Is that true?
True, but that doesn't really mean much in this situation.
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      02-23-2011, 01:08 PM   #38
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Mine rides so stiff that I had to have all my teeth removed and got a set of soft rubber dentures made, fuck its hard to eat apples now.

Bet you non-ZCP guys didnt know that ZCP is mentioned in the bible and not just anywhere in the Old testament...... Yeah bet your wishin you had ordered it now dont ya!
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      02-23-2011, 01:13 PM   #39
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yes it's marketing/cosmetic more than actual performance, but for me I like the ZCP wheels more than the 220's...and for sure I was getting EDC, so the extra $500 for ZCP rather than EDC + 220's was a no brainer.....

as stated before, it comes down to personal preference....
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Look, ZCP is all about trade offs.

ZCP wheels are cast, slightly heavier, and slightly bumpier ride - but you get a factory drop and two dynamic EDC modes.

Non-ZCP wheels are forged, slightly lighter (1/2" narrower), and yes - a better ride.

To each there own. The only arrangement that makes me nuts are the smucks who drank the kool-aid about HOW much better of a car the M3 would be with ZCP. BMW has us all suckered. The new performance exhaust is a perfect example of how BMW is using this new found "must have the best/fastest" attitude. I'm guilty

If dropping the car 10mm and remapping two EDC modes improved the car so dramatically, then why didn't BMW do that in the beginning? The M division didn't have a revelation a year before the end of production. It's marketing.

Bottom line - I am honored to be part of the M3 group (ZCP/Non-ZCP - I don't care)
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      02-23-2011, 02:20 PM   #41
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After coming out of a 997S, the M3 ZCP rides like a regular 3 series to me. The Porsche even with PASM on normal rode more stiff than my ZCP car in full sport mode.

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Yes, exactly what i am talking about...u hardly hear shit going 65+...always the city slow driving over small bumps and road imperfections that you hear these noises...nothing mechanical, just cheapo plastic getting loose or whatever....i was going to take it in but the SA said i would have to leave my car there for several days as they dont see rattles a priority and would have to fix it "on their time." And they would have to attempt a fix, drive it to see if it fixed it, then if not, drive it again, rinse and repeat...i said to hell with it...i dont want them taking apart my car trying to fix it AND driving it all over town when i can easily do it myself if i had a passenger to spot them out for me. Also, the roads where my dealer is are brand new and smooth as silk. i never hear anything driving over newly paved roads...so most likely, my car would sit there for a week and come back with "could not duplicate issue...etc"
Dealer service dept checked out my car today and the SA just called saying it's a known-issue, there's a BMW service bulletin on it, and that it's essentially related to 'door seals.' They'll need to lubricate it, and if the squeaks don't completely go away, BMW will replace the seals.

I'll follow up tomorrow after I pick up the car whether the squeaks' completely gone or not. Plus, I've asked for the BMW service bulletin number, so I'll post it when I have it.
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Dealer service dept checked out my car today and the SA just called saying it's a known-issue, there's a BMW service bulletin on it, and that it's essentially related to 'door seals.' They'll need to lubricate it, and if the squeaks don't completely go away, BMW will replace the seals.

I'll follow up tomorrow after I pick up the car whether the squeaks' completely gone or not. Plus, I've asked for the BMW service bulletin number, so I'll post it when I have it.
This was an issue in my two previous E60's. BMW has never solved it and even replacing the seals were only a temporary fix. I have found that the noise is caused by the seal rubbing on the painted door frame, particularly after waxing the car! Getting even a small amount of the wax residue on the seals or the door frame lead to the "creaking" sounds.

Take a soft cloth and some Dawn dish detergent with water, really scrub clean the seals and more importantly the painted door frame where the seals make contact. Getting the wax off will eliminate the creaking sound...
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Dealer service dept checked out my car today and the SA just called saying it's a known-issue, there's a BMW service bulletin on it, and that it's essentially related to 'door seals.' They'll need to lubricate it, and if the squeaks don't completely go away, BMW will replace the seals.

I'll follow up tomorrow after I pick up the car whether the squeaks' completely gone or not. Plus, I've asked for the BMW service bulletin number, so I'll post it when I have it.
I swear I have had to lube door seals on every frickin BMW I have ever owned.

I used to buy this stuff by the case: http://www.z3bimmer.com/OffTopic/E24Bimmer/Gummi/

However, this is no longer used on newer seals.
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