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      02-21-2011, 01:04 PM   #45
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I loved the fact that the M3 beat the RS5, the Clarkson's review of the ZCP M3 was a bit too, well... Clarkson.
So typical of JC, eh.
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      02-21-2011, 01:25 PM   #46
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      02-21-2011, 01:35 PM   #47
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PS - Top Gear is fun but can you take them very seriously? It's entertainment more than research. My sense is that the Bimmer Mag review is probably more about facts and less about clever one-liners. http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=491548
Exactly. When they were putting the lap times to their board, they said normal M3 is faster.... Do'h that was on dry track... And he complains about sport setting in EDC... No one is telling him to use it, just keep it in comfy

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I'd do it again tomorrow.
I personally prefer 18" wheels. But then I have set of 18s for track anyways so I don't mind 19" for street all that much. ZCP wheels look 10x better in person than in pictures. I'm very happy that I got ZCP pack.

10mm lover ride height is a huge plus for me, because I wouldn't do aftermarket and stock car is a little to high (well even the ZCP is a little high).

Also having the adaptive dampers in comfort mode as well as normal mode is a neat plus.
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      02-21-2011, 01:36 PM   #48
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I think they chose to lump the unique Frozen color in with the ZCP to make it seem like more of a difference between it and a regular (hate saying "regular") M3.
That made the price difference more, and gave them a bit to poke fun at as well--It is, after all, entertainment.
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      02-21-2011, 01:38 PM   #49
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to be fair JC did an awful job driving the RS5 around the track, he didn't change driving style to get the best out of the quattro.
such a shame the RS5 still can't hold it with the M, i think it's a stunning looking vehicle.
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      02-21-2011, 01:53 PM   #50
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And he complains about sport setting in EDC... No one is telling him to use it, just keep it in comfy
Never mind that EDC sport setting has been available on all M3s, let alone the obscure detail that the sport setting is actually less hard in the ZCP than it was with the M3 EDC prior.
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      02-21-2011, 02:19 PM   #51
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Never mind that EDC sport setting has been available on all M3s, let alone the obscure detail that the sport setting is actually less hard in the ZCP than it was with the M3 EDC prior.
its a tv entertainment show, they are just trying to get higher ratings. I'm not even thinking too much about the result....i know my zcp would be fractions of a second faster than the normal m3(around a track).
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      02-21-2011, 02:46 PM   #52
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Thanks for the video! I just canceled my S4 order, literally, a few minutes ago. I sent my CA an email to get the M3 ordered!
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[quote=GTFan712;8964145]I loved the fact that the M3 beat the RS5, the Clarkson's review of the ZCP M3 was a bit too, well... Clarkson.

Top gear is a fun show and Clarkson is paid to entertain and of course he takes the piss, remember when he reviewed the M5 and said the M5 sat nav voice was annoying and made it seem like it he had no idea how to get rid of it (easy to cancel) But....... the fact is he is a car fanatic and if genuinely thought the ZCP made the M3 better...then why wouldn't he say so? It's not as though he is paid by BMW to promote the cars...if he were then he would have praised the ZCP additions.

End of the day it's one mans opinion. Apparently he doesn't like carrots.... Well I love them.
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I loved the fact that the M3 beat the RS5, the Clarkson's review of the ZCP M3 was a bit too, well... Clarkson.

Also surprising was the price of the ZCP in England. IIRC Clarkson said it was over 3,000 pounds, much more than the $2,500 here. Does Value Added Tax add that much?

Top gear is a fun show and Clarkson is paid to entertain and of course he takes the piss, remember when he reviewed the M5 and said the M5 sat nav voice was annoying and made it seem like it he had no idea how to get rid of it (easy to cancel) But....... the fact is he is a car fanatic and if genuinely thought the ZCP made the M3 better...then why wouldn't he say so? It's not as though he is paid by BMW to promote the cars...if he were then he would have praised the ZCP additions.

End of the day it's one mans opinion. Apparently he doesn't like carrots.... Well I love them.
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well, I just ordered my ZCP sedan yesterday, sort of bummed out a little with JC review. I have not had the chance to ride in the ZCP and am only going with others opinion.
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well, I just ordered my ZCP sedan yesterday, sort of bummed out a little with JC review. I have not had the chance to ride in the ZCP and am only going with others opinion.
Prediction: Once you get your M3, you won't have any regrets.
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well, I just ordered my ZCP sedan yesterday, sort of bummed out a little with JC review. I have not had the chance to ride in the ZCP and am only going with others opinion.
Turn that frown upside down fella - your getting an M3!!! Now no more silly talk.
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well, I just ordered my ZCP sedan yesterday, sort of bummed out a little with JC review. I have not had the chance to ride in the ZCP and am only going with others opinion.
You don't have to drive in sport. And sport is softer in zcp then in none-zcp
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I feel for the ZCP M3 owners on this forum after the scathing review of clarkson...but considering its only $2,500 for the ZCP package here in the states-its not so bad...
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Loving the fact that original M3 is the best and even smashes the RS5!!!! God I love my car.



and even smashing the RS5? whats that suppose to mean? the M3 is the benchmark that audi mercedes and the rest of the world are trying to overtake. you make it sound like audi is the benchmark that M3 is trying to overtake.
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Loving the fact that original M3 is the best and even smashes the RS5!!!! God I love my car.



and even smashing the RS5? whats that suppose to mean? the M3 is the benchmark that audi mercedes and the rest of the world are trying to overtake. you make it sound like audi is the benchmark that M3 is trying to overtake.
It means 2 things:-

1) The M3 platform is a few years old and eventually it will be beaten par for par. The RS5 was/is the newest contender and the M3 still wins...hence the 'even smashes the RS5' statement. I'm happy.

2) Chill out.
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eventually be beaten? why do you assume that someone will find a recipe that will better the M3? i guess being on top all these years you assume someone has to surpass the M3. Maybe when the M3 goes turbo this will happen. and im cool
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eventually be beaten? why do you assume that someone will find a recipe that will better the M3? i guess being on top all these years you assume someone has to surpass the M3. Maybe when the M3 goes turbo this will happen. and im cool
I guess it's because everyone gets beat at some point!!! It's the game isn't it? M release a car, everyone try's to beat it - I like it that way, it means M doesn't get sloppy. At some point they will be beat and then M will beat it right back :-)

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I used to be annoyed that we don't currently get any RS Audis here in the states... well, not anymore!
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I used to be annoyed that we don't currently get any RS Audis here in the states... well, not anymore!
RS4's still a classic. Great car.
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