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      05-08-2017, 11:31 AM   #1
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Replacement for PSS

I have an 08 e92 m3 with PSS and its time to re-tire. Any suggestions? I don't track it but like to cut corners so to speak. I like the PSS but they wore out a little fast.
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I have an 08 e92 m3 with PSS and its time to re-tire. Any suggestions? I don't track it but like to cut corners so to speak. I like the PSS but they wore out a little fast.
Try the new Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. It's the evolution of the PSS and the initial reviews/tests/feedback have all been great.
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If you want slightly better performance and a little better wear for less money than PSS, Continental ExtremeContact Sport (the new one, not the DW)

If you want similar wear and significantly better performance than PSS , at about the same price as PSS, PS4S
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I have 18s so no PS4 yet. I just bought the new Conti EC Sports. Have them on my wife's 535xit and my M3. They seem OK to me. PS4 is probably better performing and still a good daily.

Had PSS and PS2 on the M3 before and DW and PSS on the 535xit.
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PS4S ranges ~$30-75 more per tire than the Conti Sport in sizes for our cars, so it better be better
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I have an 08 e92 m3 with PSS and its time to re-tire. Any suggestions? I don't track it but like to cut corners so to speak. I like the PSS but they wore out a little fast.
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He already said he can't use the PS4S because his car has 18" tires, not 19".
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I have 18s so no PS4 yet. I just bought the new Conti EC Sports. Have them on my wife's 535xit and my M3. They seem OK to me. PS4 is probably better performing and still a good daily.

Had PSS and PS2 on the M3 before and DW and PSS on the 535xit.

I am surprised to hear the PSS wore out fast. How many miles did you get out of them? Even with autocross and track usage, I got about 20k from mine.
I probably could've squeezed out more, but there was a good promo for replacements that I couldn't pass up.

Others have posted they got 30k, though I guess it depends on your driving style and habits.
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He already said he can't use the PS4S because his car has 18" tires, not 19".
Think we have a misunderstanding because I quoted OP (JerezBlacke92) and not pbonsalb with his 18"
Anyway the 4S is an excellent tire and much quieter than the PSS .
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I am surprised to hear the PSS wore out fast. How many miles did you get out of them? Even with autocross and track usage, I got about 20k from mine.
I probably could've squeezed out more, but there was a good promo for replacements that I couldn't pass up.

Others have posted they got 30k, though I guess it depends on your driving style and habits.
I am also surprised. My PSS have lasted quite a long time and they even have a mileage estimate provided that can be used for warranty, whereas PS2s did not, and could not, as they wore out in hurry. If PS4S is that much better it is just gravy.
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I think the F8x M3/4 compounding might be a bit different, so if he's using F8X star tires it could be why. I had 265/40-18's, they were on pace to make 20k miles or so in back (compared to PS2, about 100% better in my use), got a nail in one, got a pair of 275/40-18's which wore quite a bit faster than the 265's or my current 275/35-18's on the rear, which is odd because the bigger tire is turning slower and doesn't allow as much wheelspin because the gearing is taller. So...maybe that's it?
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I think the F8x M3/4 compounding might be a bit different, so if he's using F8X star tires it could be why. I had 265/40-18's, they were on pace to make 20k miles or so in back (compared to PS2, about 100% better in my use), got a nail in one, got a pair of 275/40-18's which wore quite a bit faster than the 265's or my current 275/35-18's on the rear, which is odd because the bigger tire is turning slower and doesn't allow as much wheelspin because the gearing is taller. So...maybe that's it?
Your logic seems sound, but the conclusion confused me. Seems to me the 275/40 should have lasted longer.
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Yes, and it didn't, which says to me they may be using a little more perishable compound on the BMW star F8x (There are star sizes in 245, 255, 265 and 275/35-19, 255/40-18 and 255/70-18) sizes than the usual PSS
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Yes, and it didn't, which says to me they may be using a little more perishable compound on the BMW star F8x (There are star sizes in 245, 255, 265 and 275/35-19, 255/40-18 and 255/70-18) sizes than the usual PSS
I had the same experience with the "star spec" 255 40 18 and 275 40 18, they wore out quite a lot by 10000 KM (not miles). It didn't look like they could go too much longer. They gripped better than the normal pss though.
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My experience with the PSS (second set, PS2 were orig) was that the tread is still good. But I did get a lot cupping on the tires after 5k or so. This causes low speed vibration which seems to disappear at driving speeds. So it's more annoying then anything else.

Anyone else see this and have any recommendations on how to avoid? The tires were balanced and installed by tire rack FYI.
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My experience with the PSS (second set, PS2 were orig) was that the tread is still good. But I did get a lot cupping on the tires after 5k or so. This causes low speed vibration which seems to disappear at driving speeds. So it's more annoying then anything else.

Anyone else see this and have any recommendations on how to avoid? The tires were balanced and installed by tire rack FYI.
What size tire and wheel.
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My experience with the PSS (second set, PS2 were orig) was that the tread is still good. But I did get a lot cupping on the tires after 5k or so. This causes low speed vibration which seems to disappear at driving speeds. So it's more annoying then anything else.

Anyone else see this and have any recommendations on how to avoid? The tires were balanced and installed by tire rack FYI.

Cupping usually indicates alignment problems or worn-out suspension parts.
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Thanks for your replies

So, the cupping is not a common issue? Also I have the 219 18" wheels.
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So, the cupping is not a common issue? Also I have the 219 18" wheels.
No, not normal, get your alignment checked.

Wanted to go 4S for my 20s but they don't come in 305/25/20 yet.
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Cupping could be worn out tie rod ends. I would test your tie rid ends, ball joints and bushings.
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So, the cupping is not a common issue? Also I have the 219 18" wheels.
Cupping can happen to any tire if you have suspension or alignment problems, as I said.

If you can get the car up on a lift, a visual inspection should be pretty easy.
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It's the PSS successor. I've heard that they're even better than the PSS, i'm waiting until mine die so I can upgrade!
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