Would you buy an 09 M6 or supercharge the e9x M3?

[Raptor251]

Honestly there is no way you can even compare the SMG to a DCT, and yes I'm talking about "manual mode" all the time. The DCT is on another level

[NavidM3E92]

E92 M3

[997GT3]

Originally Posted by FStop7

Unless you were beating the shit out of your car every day that's pretty excessive. Though you're definitely not the only one who has had that happen with the S85. There have been some M3s with pretty high oil consumption, too.

No. I pampered it.

[GnokGnik]

The S85 is a magnificent engine...tied with the N54 for the most International Engine of the Year Awards (regardless of category). (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...ne_of_the_Year).

Actually, BMW has the most awards followed by Honda.

[MVF4Rrider]

Originally Posted by GnokGnik

The S85 is a magnificent engine...tied with the N54 for the most International Engine of the Year Awards (regardless of category). (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...ne_of_the_Year).

Actually, BMW has the most awards followed by Honda.

Perhaps you missed this part ... "judged by a panel of automobile journalists from around the world"

They lost whatever credibility they may earned when honoring the N54. It's more a marketing success than a fine engine. As memory serves, the motor was producing 228 hp in NA form, then they slap a couple of small turbos on it and gain a whopping 54 hp and all the sudden it's best thing ever (N54's official Hp rating is 282 from BMW although they marketed it as 300 in the US). The successor (N52) put out 255 hp in NA form. So truly BMW only gained 27 Hp above the NA motor they had ready on the shelf and they've been laughing all the way to the bank ever since (except for all the problems the N54 has caused ... one of which is it single-handedly tanked BMW's reliability ratings).

[E. Honda]

Originally Posted by Raptor251

Umm... the SMG just flat out sucks IMO, it has a really delayed shift and it becomes very clunky under hard acceleration. And if you want to tell me I never learned how to drive the car in almost two years of ownership I suggest you get back in your daddys car and really pin it. Then come back and tell me just how smooth it is

im not here to brag about SMG, im saying if you know how to drive the damn thing, it really doesnt make a difference. but if you cant get it then the SMG is definitely never for you. its clear that the DCT is much smoother newer and more responsive, but thats not to knock off M6 as a car completely. the V10 engine will tear the v8

[Year's_End]

If you're not tracking the cars, I'd shoot for an M6 without regret. Better looking imo, more presence, more distinctive sounding (by far with meisterchaft pipes), and less common.

Strangely, I do prefer the interior of the M3, and I've driven M6s on a track and they're not that much fun because of how big and heavy they are. The engine is still so much better imo.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by FStop7

About the M5 handling better than the M6 - uh, that would be no. My coworker's 08 M5 handles well enough, about the same. Maybe a little sloppier because the seating position is higher.

I agree with the rest of your post, but I'm going to have to jut in about your comparison to the M5.

From my experience (track), the M5 was the better drive, but only in certain ways. The seats are better (better bolstering, strangely enough) and the steering column is less intrusive. When I adjust the steering wheel so that it's at a proper level and distance (within reach so that elbows are bent slightly even if grabbing the top of the rim), the M6's column will intrude on knee space whereas the M5's is just right. The M5 also felt slightly more natural through corners when traveling at 10/10ths. Throttle adjustment felt more predictable.

With that said, the M6 has a lower seating position, which is better in my opinion, and it's more eager to turn-in.

[997GT3]

Originally Posted by GnokGnik

The S85 is a magnificent engine...tied with the N54 for the most International Engine of the Year Awards (regardless of category). (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...ne_of_the_Year).

Actually, BMW has the most awards followed by Honda.

Does this stuff really mean anything?
The engine is a gas pig, dubious oil sucker, has mediocre low end performance. It's only star attribute is high up. You get an m5/6 up to 80 mph theyre hard to touch.

[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by 997GT3

Does this stuff really mean anything?
The engine is a gas pig, dubious oil sucker, has mediocre low end performance. It's only star attribute is high up. You get an m5/6 up to 80 mph theyre hard to touch.

I still don't understand how someone can complain about MPGs in a V10. I don't think there is a single V10 car buyer on the planet that gives two shits about MPGs.

[997GT3]

Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

I still don't understand how someone can complain about MPGs in a V10. I don't think there is a single V10 car buyer on the planet that gives two shits about MPGs.

It sucks when you couple it with a small gas tank. It felt like I was filling the thing every day.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by 997GT3

gas pig, dubious oil sucker, has mediocre low end performance

*talking about a high-revving, medium-displacement V10*

high-revving: will consume gas by nature of more revs, same with oil. is also the same reason why its low end is average.

the engine has a surprisingly linear power delivery coupled with great throttle response. as far as N/A engines near its displacement go, it's extremely impressive.

[FStop7]

I think part of the problem is that the engine doesn't deliver a lot of low RPM grunt and yet the M5/M6 are fairly heavy. If you lay the dyno plots of an E39 M5 and an E60 M5 over each other it's pretty interesting to compare. The E39 generates more torque until something like 5,000rpm. But once the revs climb the V10 plot just takes off. It would have been nice of BMW had put the V10 into a lightened, mid engine car... like their own version of an R8.

[termigni]

Since you had a e90, get e92! IM not a big M6 fan.