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      02-07-2011, 06:46 PM   #45
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Agree to a degree, felt the stock m3 needed just a bit of spicing up for my liking.... Also, this car rocks!
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Oh and for the guy that claims the M6 will pull the M3 on straights you are high. Stock for stock the 3 will pull on the 6 all day long.
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What's your basis for that? At VIR we were all going five to six mph faster at the end of the straight after the Oak Tree corner and that was uphill. I love my M3, but the M6 is faster in a straight line.

As for the sound, I prefer the M3 with an Active Autowerkes exhaust, but the M6 does sound nice. I wonder how it sounds with a great exhaust on it.

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      02-07-2011, 07:37 PM   #47
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So you say that the M6 is a poser car, but you also say that you wanted a vert that doesn't embarrass you, so you bought the M6.

You then claim that the M3 is a girly chick car, but then you say that the M6 is a chick, Paris Hilton kinda car.... Dude, make up your mind.

Again, everybody has different taste, and it is hard to argue with that, but you are all over the map...

And no, the M3 will not pull on the M6 in a straight line.
I agree with both of u (if that makes sense regarding RAPTOR) but a v10 v. a v8, the outcome is obvious, at least in a straight line Schnell. the m3 no doubt will outhandle the corners, but in a straightline, the M6 will pull for sure. again, this is stock for stock.

and no, I do not agree that the M3 is a chick car. the 335i, white on fox red is a chick car.

A girl wouldnt be able to handle an M3

but you both right in your own ways
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      02-07-2011, 07:47 PM   #48
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But in this tread we are talking about a supercharged M3 pulling on a stock M6.

I would think a stock M6 would be faster in a straight line than a stock M3

If not, I am going to start talking about my chipped 335Xi taking both of them to the cleaners
and getting 32 mpg on the highway to boot..
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Stick to the subject. But ultimately you proved my point. Just talking out of your crack.
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how about this, supercharge the m6. gpower.
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But in this tread we are talking about a supercharged M3 pulling on a stock M6.

I would think a stock M6 would be faster in a straight line than a stock M3

If not, I am going to start talking about my chipped 335Xi taking both of them to the cleaners
and getting 32 mpg on the highway to boot..
but a 335 loses power after 5000rpm when the turbos stop making power...ur just literally moving forward from 5-7k rpm...M motors rev to the moon and make amazing power across the whole rpm band.
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Stock for stock the 3 will pull on the 6 all day long.
as others have said, the M6 will pull on the M3. from a standing start, I think the DCT trans helps the M3 get to 60mph slightly quicker, but the shift speed matters less and less as speed increases, and the M6 will pass by the M3 and continue to pull.

both awesome cars. I go back and forth as to which sounds better. I think the V10 sounds mundane below 4k, but beyond that it just sings. the M3, on the other hand, sounds awesome everywhere (idle, low RPMs and high RPMs - although I think the V10 sounds better up top).
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but a 335 loses power after 5000rpm when the turbos stop making power...ur just literally moving forward from 5-7k rpm...M motors rev to the moon and make amazing power across the whole rpm band.


shh, 335 owners don't know this yet.
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shh, 335 owners don't know this yet.
What I think he said is the car is going the same speed between 5K and 7K rpms (as the motor loses power)? That's not correct if I understood his words. Well it does lose power starting around 5.5K, but it still accelerates all the way to redline. It's just the rate of acceleration drops. But you're still accelerating. You can feel it quite well in top gear as you're approaching 155 mph. You feel the motor losing power and actually getting from 145 to 155 seems to take forever. BMW intentionally lowers boost at higher rpms to save the motor. It's not that you simply get beyond the useful range of the turbos. Even tuners for the N54 keep boost at much lower levels at high rpms. The motor can't handle it. The only thing you accomplish with a tuned N54 is to create a more peaky power band. The actual power increase at high rpms is relatively low; therefore, the gains in all out acceleration through the gears is not what it seems. Tuning companies are quick to point out the new peak numbers but never speak to real acceleration gains. Personally I think a tuned N54 would have a difficult time with low speed grip under hard acceleration. For sure it would help eat your rear tires prematurely. No thanks! I'm all for more torque but only if it's spread across the entire rev range.
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What's your basis for that? At VIR we were all going five to six mph faster at the end of the straight after the Oak Tree corner and that was uphill. I love my M3, but the M6 is faster in a straight line.

As for the sound, I prefer the M3 with an Active Autowerkes exhaust, but the M6 does sound nice. I wonder how it sounds with a great exhaust on it.

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He is driving a convertible M6, which is probably slower than e M3 E92...but the coupe M6 is way faster than the M3 in straight line
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What I think he said is the car is going the same speed between 5K and 7K rpms (as the motor loses power)? That's not correct if I understood his words. Well it does lose power starting around 5.5K, but it still accelerates all the way to redline. It's just the rate of acceleration drops. But you're still accelerating. You can feel it quite well in top gear as you're approaching 155 mph. You feel the motor losing power and actually getting from 145 to 155 seems to take forever. BMW intentionally lowers boost at higher rpms to save the motor. It's not that you simply get beyond the useful range of the turbos. Even tuners for the N54 keep boost at much lower levels at high rpms. The motor can't handle it. The only thing you accomplish with a tuned N54 is to create a more peaky power band. The actual power increase at high rpms is relatively low; therefore, the gains in all out acceleration through the gears is not what it seems. Tuning companies are quick to point out the new peak numbers but never speak to real acceleration gains. Personally I think a tuned N54 would have a difficult time with low speed grip under hard acceleration. For sure it would help eat your rear tires prematurely. No thanks! I'm all for more torque but only if it's spread across the entire rev range.
For the first time I agree with you . No hard feelings buddy

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What I think he said is the car is going the same speed between 5K and 7K rpms (as the motor loses power)? That's not correct if I understood his words. Well it does lose power starting around 5.5K, but it still accelerates all the way to redline. It's just the rate of acceleration drops. But you're still accelerating. You can feel it quite well in top gear as you're approaching 155 mph. You feel the motor losing power and actually getting from 145 to 155 seems to take forever. BMW intentionally lowers boost at higher rpms to save the motor. It's not that you simply get beyond the useful range of the turbos. Even tuners for the N54 keep boost at much lower levels at high rpms. The motor can't handle it. The only thing you accomplish with a tuned N54 is to create a more peaky power band. The actual power increase at high rpms is relatively low; therefore, the gains in all out acceleration through the gears is not what it seems. Tuning companies are quick to point out the new peak numbers but never speak to real acceleration gains. Personally I think a tuned N54 would have a difficult time with low speed grip under hard acceleration. For sure it would help eat your rear tires prematurely. No thanks! I'm all for more torque but only if it's spread across the entire rev range.
+1..agreed. It reminds me of Mustang GT500s..the cars can't use the 550hp they make stock. Yet you see guys with 700-800rwhp and yet they can't put it to the ground. All that power goes up in smoke.

I just got into a debate regarding the M6 vs. GT500 and when you look at the M6 which weighs very similar to a GT500 yet it beats the GT500 in the 1/4 mile and in mph with much less torque and less hp. Its because you can't hook up in the GT500. Now run some drag radials or slicks and the cars is a low to mid 11 sec. car, on stock street rubber it just spins and goes no where.

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Why are you so confused? How am I all over the map? Did I not make myself clear?

And how do you know the M6 will pull an M3 in a straight line? Have you even driven an M6? I have raced the two about a dozen times heads up and the DCT M3 pulls to 100mph every time, past that I cant say as im not trying to go to jail for excessive speed. Oh and about half of the races I drove the M3 while my brother drove the M6 and the other half of the races we switched cars. Same result every time, the DCT M3 pulled away.

All I was trying to get across is that the M3 is the car for the person who likes to really drive their car and the M6 is more of a status symbol. And while I do think the M3 looks girly it sure as hell doesnt drive like a girly car. Im sorry if I offended you by saying the words girly and M3 in the same sentence and sorry if my posts seemed "confusing" to you
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M6 is ugly and its performance compared to both the M3 and M5 is uninspiring. M3 for sure. Or better yet, figure out how to jam the V10 into a M3. Now that would be something. I still miss the howl of my M5. best sounding BMW motor EVER.
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M6 is ugly and its performance compared to both the M3 and M5 is uninspiring. M3 for sure. Or better yet, figure out how to jam the V10 into a M3. Now that would be something. I still miss the howl of my M5. best sounding BMW motor EVER.
I am not sure how you could say that when M6 is a better peformer than the M5???

Also, no M6 coupe (not convertible) is not slower than M3 from any speed unless the M6 is spinning its rear wheels.
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Also, no M6 coupe (not convertible) is not slower than M3 from any speed unless the M6 is spinning its rear wheels.
...or there's a corner.
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A supercharge M6!!! =)

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...on my way to my job @ Hooters!
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If you pull on me...ALL you'd see is my "rear end", Porsche dickhead
Your car is not what I was referring to. But glad to know you're such a nice girl.
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Wow, how is a M6 poserish? You can drive around for months without ever seeing one.
I was in Los Angeles recently for a week, where I will be moving this Spring.

Thought I would see a lot of M3s.

I saw ONE, and it was being driven by a woman, with the man in the passenger seat.

On the other hand I saw about 4 of the M6, all driven by balding middle aged men.

Just my observations.


I would absolutely supercharge the M3. The M6 is a boat.
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