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      02-23-2007, 04:01 PM   #45
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The "War on Terror" is just propaganda and most likely can never be won...just like the "War on Drugs". I believe the "War on Drugs" is at least 20 years old, and still has yet to be anywhere near a success. You simply can't fight a war against something that cannot be conquered or destroyed. In the case of the "War on Drugs", there is no way we can destroy the insatiable appetite of the American people's for drugs. In the case of the "War on Terror", we probably will never destroy other people's hatred for this country.

I think the best thing we can do is not try to "win" these "wars" but to try to mitigate the damage caused by drug abuse and terrorism. It may sound like a defeatist attitude, but no matter how technologically superior we are in the wars on drugs and terror, people will still be affected and sadly, people will still die. Lessening the death numbers is a more realistic approach to this madness.
I am no fan of the term, "War on Terror" but it seems we are stuck with it.

There is a distinction between the "War on Terror" and the "War on Poverty" and the "War on Drugs" in that in this war we are aiming to kill those who practice terrorism and destroy the organizations that engage or support it. I do not think the point of the other wars was to kill the poor or those on drugs.

This is an actual war while the term was rhetorical in the other instances.
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You may not but al-Qaeda sure does. Do you deny that al-Qaeda conducts operations in Iraq?
No, I do not deny that, but I surely say it was not even closely active in Iraq before this war... Same for the rest of the world...we just keep pouring gas on the fire
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First of all he joined to DEFEND his country, not to go around attacking whoever the president wants. Our Military is guided by the Dept of DEFENSE, not offense. Get that??? THat is the difference that none of people that joined were told -- you will go and risk your life whenever the cowboy feels like attacking someone...

As for the polls, you're so funny and determined.
I guess, according to you:
1) Americans love W
2) Americans think he's doing the greatest job
3) Americans are all for this war and to continue even when the rest pull out
4) Americans want more of Bush.

Please dig out those polls for me, too...
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The wordings of the current oath of enlistment and oath for commissioned officers are as follows:

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).


Right there it states that all enlisted will do what there officers and or the President of the United States seems fit to be done, including going around the world to fight for our freedom and safety.

I have been reading this forum today and there are many great points. How ever this point of saying they are to DEFEND the USA or the way you make it sound all soldiers should stay on US soil and defend from our soil.
We used to be a feared country with our military and with the last few Presidents we have lost that. Now the other countries just laugh at us.
I think it is time we start to make them fear us and respect us again.
I don't always agree with W but I do support him and our troops abroad.



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I am someone's child, that does not make me a kid.

Cindy Sheehan's son, Casey, went to Iraq for the same reason every soldier who has deployed went. He made an adult decision to volunteer to serve his country and the legitimate elected representatives of his country sent him there.

Since you like public opinion polls so much:
I'm sure this poll would not be partisan in nature.

Poll conducted by Public Opinion Strategies who are "a national Republican political and public affairs research firm with its roots in political campaigns, its research is focused on producing information ..." if the "information" reflects our beliefs.
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I'm sure this poll would not be partisan in nature.

Poll conducted by Public Opinion Strategies who are "a national Republican political and public affairs research firm with its roots in political campaigns, its research is focused on producing information ..." if the "information" reflects our beliefs.
Are you familiar with logical fallacies?

For anyone interested the actual poll breakdown by party affiliation was:

33% TOTAL REPUBLICAN
35% TOTAL DEMOCRAT
30% TOTAL LEAN/INDEPENDENT

The details are here.
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Are you familiar with logical fallacies?

For anyone interested the actual poll breakdown by party affiliation was:

33% TOTAL REPUBLICAN
35% TOTAL DEMOCRAT
30% TOTAL LEAN/INDEPENDENT

The details are here.
Yep, one positive poll in last 5 years...lets beat it to death....
I still think (and the majority of Americans would easily agree with me) that this was THE WORST president in hisory of the USA by far... So, the next one will have easy & hard thing to do -- easy is to be better, hard is to clean the mess this one leaves behind...
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Yep, one positive poll in last 5 years...lets beat it to death....
I still think (and the majority of Americans would easily agree with me) that this was THE WORST president in hisory of the USA by far... So, the next one will have easy & hard thing to do -- easy is to be better, hard is to clean the mess this one leaves behind...
By what possible measure would Bush be the worst president in our history?

Economy? No (Where you here for the Carter years? Herbert Hoover?)

Corruption? No (Nixon, Clinton, Harding?)

Foreign policy? No (LBJ? Carter?)

Domestic Policy? No (Buchanan?)
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By what possible measure would Bush be the worst president in our history?

Economy? No (Where you here for the Carter years? Herbert Hoover?)

Corruption? No (Nixon, Clinton, Harding?)

Foreign policy? No (LBJ? Carter?)

Domestic Policy? No (Buchanan?)
Corruption -- HELL YES! How can you even compare Clinton sex fiasco with the Libby thing??? Or Delay thing, or... Or in general -- if you disagree with me you're not a patriot thing. THose things get so easily forgotten behind the BIGGEST fiasco in history of the USA -- War in Iraq.

Foreign policy -- WOW, don't compare it to anything please. Did the US EVER have less respect in the world??? As I said, just returned from Japan and could not believe that whatever stupid happens I hear the only word I understand in Japanese -- "Amerikano"... We're at the lowes we have ever been for the world respect.

There is no domestic policy at all -- deficit is who knows where, the social security is forgotten, no one talks about medicare... It is all behind this damn war and...Anna Nicole news.

Economy...we will see where are we heading. Please read:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17343814/

So obvious to me when I deal with every day things like -- the largest US semiconductor company has been on hirig freeze for months and travel restrictions... Like no major company is doing that great actually...

Finally (as I always said) -- the FUTURE. The future for our kids (Americans) looks very, very blury...not to say dark. W is not 100% guilty for that, but starting with his dad it all started, through Clinton, then this is culminating now...
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By what possible measure would Bush be the worst president in our history?

Economy? No (Where you here for the Carter years? Herbert Hoover?)

Corruption? No (Nixon, Clinton, Harding?)

Foreign policy? No (LBJ? Carter?)

Domestic Policy? No (Buchanan?)

are you serious? Are you honestly trying to say that Bush has done a better job than clinton/carter/etc?
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Corruption -- HELL YES! How can you even compare Clinton sex fiasco with the Libby thing??? Or Delay thing, or... Or in general -- if you disagree with me you're not a patriot thing. THose things get so easily forgotten behind the BIGGEST fiasco in history of the USA -- War in Iraq.
Are you saying that a President admittingly lying to a federal judge and a federal grand jury is less of an offense than a staff member recalling a conversation with a reporter differently than the reporter?

What does Tom Delay have to do with the President?

If you think that the Iraq War, the conclusion of which is still very much in question is the biggest fiasco in US history than your ignorance of US history is epic.

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Foreign policy -- WOW, don't compare it to anything please. Did the US EVER have less respect in the world??? As I said, just returned from Japan and could not believe that whatever stupid happens I hear the only word I understand in Japanese -- "Amerikano"... We're at the lowes we have ever been for the world respect.
Despite your repeated assertions to the contrary, US foreign policy is NOT premised on the notion of making us popular with the rest of the world. I remember traveling to western Europe during the Reagan years and having to put up with the virulent anti-Americanism of the time but Reagan was right and the biggest beneficiaries were the western Europeans.

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There is no domestic policy at all -- deficit is who knows where, the social security is forgotten, no one talks about medicare... It is all behind this damn war and...Anna Nicole news.
I am speaking of actual demestic policies, not media coverage.

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Economy...we will see where are we heading. Please read:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17343814/
Oh No!! You mean the former Fed Chairman says that the economy is cyclical and we may be due for a recession?

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So obvious to me when I deal with every day things like -- the largest US semiconductor company has been on hirig freeze for months and travel restrictions... Like no major company is doing that great actually...
Anedotes, anecdotes, anecdotes... Your company is not the focal point of the US economy.

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Finally (as I always said) -- the FUTURE. The future for our kids (Americans) looks very, very blury...not to say dark. W is not 100% guilty for that, but starting with his dad it all started, through Clinton, then this is culminating now...
If you are so adept at foreseeing the future, could you please pass me tomorrow's winning lottery numbers?
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are you serious? Are you honestly trying to say that Bush has done a better job than clinton/carter/etc?
Yes! Do you remember the economy of the late '70's? The term "misery index" ring a bell?
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This is really crazy - I get my world news from fake news shows (Jon Stewart) and teh e90Post! In the USA, have heard nothing of this. Man - how the world has changed!
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Are you saying that a President admittingly lying to a federal judge and a federal grand jury is less of an offense than a staff member recalling a conversation with a reporter differently than the reporter?

What does Tom Delay have to do with the President?

If you think that the Iraq War, the conclusion of which is still very much in question is the biggest fiasco in US history than your ignorance of US history is epic.



Despite your repeated assertions to the contrary, US foreign policy is NOT premised on the notion of making us popular with the rest of the world. I remember traveling to western Europe during the Reagan years and having to put up with the virulent anti-Americanism of the time but Reagan was right and the biggest beneficiaries were the western Europeans.



I am speaking of actual demestic policies, not media coverage.



Oh No!! You mean the former Fed Chairman says that the economy is cyclical and we may be due for a recession?



Anedotes, anecdotes, anecdotes... Your company is not the focal point of the US economy.



If you are so adept at foreseeing the future, could you please pass me tomorrow's winning lottery numbers?
1) Yes, YES, Bush and Chaney both lying about revealing the identity of the CIA agent -- MUCH, worse than Clinton thing. Cannot even compare the two.

2) So what is our foreign policy based on -- threats, threats that fuel others to build unnecessary things. NK, for example was toying with the world for 15 years, trying to get $$$. THen the Cowboy threatens it for real and they build the Nuke in 2 years. Iran is the same. Great & Successful foreign policy.

3) There is NO domestic policy agenda at all. The Admin does not care about it -- just Iraq, Iraq, Iraq. If someone mentions anything else -- lets raise the terror threat....

4) Yes, the economy is cyclical. BUT NOT over 6 years. Never has happened like that. Therefore, do not even try to sell us that BS. The economy has never fully recovered under Bush. It NEVER stabilized since 1998.

5) FYI, my company has done better than 90% of the companies out there, therefore, I can emagine the others... And show me 10 real companies (like MSFT, GE, TXN, INTC, HRS...) that did raise to the record levels.

6) I cannot forsee the future, but it is obvious that there is no future for the USA...the way it goes. Something radical has to change in order to pull us off this fall...
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1) Yes, YES, Bush and Chaney both lying about revealing the identity of the CIA agent -- MUCH, worse than Clinton thing. Cannot even compare the two.

2) So what is our foreign policy based on -- threats, threats that fuel others to build unnecessary things. NK, for example was toying with the world for 15 years, trying to get $$$. THen the Cowboy threatens it for real and they build the Nuke in 2 years. Iran is the same. Great & Successful foreign policy.

3) There is NO domestic policy agenda at all. The Admin does not care about it -- just Iraq, Iraq, Iraq. If someone mentions anything else -- lets raise the terror threat....

4) Yes, the economy is cyclical. BUT NOT over 6 years. Never has happened like that. Therefore, do not even try to sell us that BS. The economy has never fully recovered under Bush. It NEVER stabilized since 1998.

5) FYI, my company has done better than 90% of the companies out there, therefore, I can emagine the others... And show me 10 real companies (like MSFT, GE, TXN, INTC, HRS...) that did raise to the record levels.

6) I cannot forsee the future, but it is obvious that there is no future for the USA...the way it goes. Something radical has to change in order to pull us off this fall...
Neither the President nor the Vice President revealed the identity of a CIA agent. You are right though, there is no comparison... what President Clinton did was a crime you can't say that about President Bush or VP Cheney.

Foreign policy is based on the national interest of the US, nothing more. North Korea's nuclear weapons project clearly predates the current administration.

Where do you get your economic information? The average post-war economic expansion is 67 months. That is what Chairman Greenspan was talking about.

The US economy is NOT fueled by big companies, small business is and has been the engine of growth.

Our imminent decline is only obvious to you. But we have alreday determined that you are delusional.
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Neither the President nor the Vice President revealed the identity of a CIA agent. You are right though, there is no comparison... what President Clinton did was a crime you can't say that about President Bush or VP Cheney.
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We shall see that. All the info points out that Chaney directly issued the order...

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Foreign policy is based on the national interest of the US, nothing more. North Korea's nuclear weapons project clearly predates the current administration.
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Actually, I did point out that noNukes were made in previous 15 years and that NK was "toying" with the world, trying to get some $$$ and so on. Only in last 4-5 years (after the famos "Axis of Evil" speach and the invasion of Sovereign country without the UN approval) NK decided to speed it all up and they built it. Same for Iran. Who's next -- Syria??? This Admin is dangerous not only for the USA but for the whole world.

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Where do you get your economic information? The average post-war economic expansion is 67 months. That is what Chairman Greenspan was talking about..
Show me another instances where two back to back recessions happened within 6 years (2001 and 2007, supposedly). I am not talking a slow-down, Greenspan is talking a recession!

The US economy is NOT fueled by big companies, small business is and has been the engine of growth.

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Our imminent decline is only obvious to you. But we have alreday determined that you are delusional.

Actually, we in your case is equal to 6 people here. The rest 800 are, I guess, all...delusional. Also, I guess...55-65% of Americans are delusional, too:
http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy/
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

What kind of patriot are you calling the majority of Americans DILUSIONAL???
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ganeil, your views are radical, and very mediocre. IMO
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ganeil, your views are radical, and very mediocre. IMO
Well you know what they say about opinions...

Would you like to expand on your thought?

What precisely is radical about my views?

What is your standard for radical?

Who else has radical ideas in your opinion?
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Well you know what they say about opinions...

Would you like to expand on your thought?

What precisely is radical about my views?

What is your standard for radical?

Who else has radical ideas in your opinion?
W standard of "radical" is opposed to him.
World standard of "radical" is against the world's good...

Therefore clearly explains why W and his followers are EXTREMELY radical.
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W standard of "radical" is opposed to him.
World standard of "radical" is against the world's good...

Therefore clearly explains why W and his followers are EXTREMELY radical.
The "world" has a common understanding of what is the "World's Good"?

What if you oppose some of the President's policies and support others, are you radical then?
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You were bored and decided to mix things up by reviving a 5 mo old thread?
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