N20 Turbo I4 Switchover and Current 3-series, M3, and 1-series Production End Dates - Page 2

DavS1 · 01-19-2011, 06:16 PM

Where does it say N52 will be obsolete? from what I can see it sais the inline 6 on CERTAIN models will be replaced with the I4 turbo engine. as following:

E89 Z4 sDrive30i
F10/F11 528i
F25 X3 xDrive28i
E81/E87

Someone correct me if i'm being a spaz here.

bdardashti · 01-19-2011, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DavS1

Where does it say N52 will be obsolete? from what I can see it sais the inline 6 on CERTAIN models will be replaced with the I4 turbo engine. as following:

E89 Z4 sDrive30i
F10/F11 528i
F25 X3 xDrive28i
E81/E87

Someone correct me if i'm being a spaz here.

Those models are just for now.

Once the F20 launches, this engine will likely power the highest trim (today's 130i) and the F30 will also launch with this engine powering the 328i. So essentially 28i every car that is currently powered by a N52 will switch over to this engine.

5erman · 01-19-2011, 06:41 PM

Well I truly do believe these engines will be better in every respect or I truly believe bmw would not have taken this leap. However you just cannot help be sad to see the end of the bmw Inline 6! I mean how many famous bmw's had an inline 6 engine, so many car magazine raves and so many years refining their trademark. Really a sad day, however in the end I do believe both bmw and M division will perfect these turbo applications where we will not be able to tell the difference between an NA and these but will have more power, torque, efficiency and at a lower cost. That is the great thing about technology

Diver · 01-19-2011, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mkoesel

N55 extremely unlikely for the F2x 1 series, IMHO.

For the coupe and convertible, I would look for an HO 2L turbo I4 with somewhere around 285hp, and a 1M (or M2, perhaps) with a 350hp+ turbo I4, perhaps with displacement bumped to 2.2L or so.

Absolutely! I just want to highlight the FUD. If there are no I6 engines for the new 1 series the engine bay can be shorter by about 8 inches. That space can be reallocated to the rear seat and boot. I have no doubt that BMW will get it right. My N55 135i is a blast to drive. It is not my first turbocharged car, but it is my first piston engine turbo. Years ago I owned a single turbo RX7 rotary. Rated HP was only 180, but it was fast because it only weighed about 2700 pounds. It did not even have power steering.

My 135i goes 65 to 105 mph about as quick as the RX7 could do 65 to 90 mph. I really like the growl that the N55 makes. The 135i is as quick as my 1992 6 Sped LT1 Corvette, but the 135i does it's thing with much less drama. In inflation adjusted dollars, the 135i cost less.

bdardashti · 01-19-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Diver

Absolutely! I just want to highlight the FUD. If there are no I6 engines for the new 1 series the engine bay can be shorter by about 8 inches. That space can be reallocated to the rear seat and boot. I have no doubt that BMW will get it right. My N55 135i is a blast to drive. It is not my first turbocharged car, but it is my first piston engine turbo. Years ago I owned a single turbo RX7 rotary. Rated HP was only 180, but it was fast because it only weighed about 2700 pounds. It did not even have power steering.

My 135i goes 65 to 105 mph about as quick as the RX7 could do 65 to 90 mph. I really like the growl that the N55 makes. The 135i is as quick as my 1992 6 Sped LT1 Corvette, but the 135i does it's thing with much less drama. In inflation adjusted dollars, the 135i cost less.

Interesting point about the 8-inch smaller engine bay. Are you sure about that fact? If that's the case, since the next-gen 1er is a few inches bigger than the current one, it will likely mean about 10-inches increase in passenger and cargo space which is fantastic. I doubt we'd see 6-cylinder engines in the F20 line (including coupe/cab). The M2 is rumoured to get a 4-cyl, so it's unlikely there will be a 135i with a 6-cyl.

Bartman619 · 01-19-2011, 07:16 PM

Is the BMW Turbo4 direct injected ? I hope it doesn't suffer from the carbon buildup problems that the VW 2.0T suffers from.

MazdaFan · 01-19-2011, 07:57 PM

F20 and F30 are based on the same platform, so I don't think they can design the F20 for I-4 engine only. Both can take I-6 engines in my opinion.

Even if they make it I-4 only they can't pull the engine all the way forward because the weight distribution won't be ideal.

cloakster · 01-19-2011, 09:29 PM

mmmm, a 128i with the new I4 turbo....what a bang for your buck that will be

stealth-twntrbo · 01-19-2011, 10:11 PM

I am curious how they will battle with the carbon build up in these DI motors.

Remonster · 01-19-2011, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DriveHard

And the N51

I had one so I get to say this: YES THEY DESERVE TO DIE AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL

Actually, it was a pretty good engine but it really woke up after I tore off the charcoal filter. The non-economy N52 was significantly better.

cks0213 · 01-20-2011, 12:35 AM

Does this engine change lead to reduced MSRPs?

magbarn · 01-20-2011, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cks0213

Does this engine change lead to reduced MSRPs?

Yeah Right! Since when did BMW lower prices? If they were going to lower the price these would've named X25i's

magbarn · 01-20-2011, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Daft

Does this mean the 5th gen M3 will be out as a 2014 or 2015 model year? Either way, I'm gonna enjoy this V8 while I still can!

I'd keep that car for life. "it's the last of the (NA) v8 interceptors". Makes me regret getting the d....

To all you turbo lovers... A Turbo engine will never match the throttle response of a NA engine with 8 individual throttle bodies

itsbrokeagain · 01-20-2011, 12:57 AM

Its odd to say but BMW has completed its life circle 360 degrees. They started with 4 cylinders in the 2002s and first 3 series, and now look where they have ended up.

marcel b · 01-20-2011, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mkoesel

N55 extremely unlikely for the F2x 1 series, IMHO.

For the coupe and convertible, I would look for an HO 2L turbo I4 with somewhere around 285hp, and a 1M (or M2, perhaps) with a 350hp+ turbo I4, perhaps with displacement bumped to 2.2L or so.

I read that BMW will only have engines with cylinders with 0.5l displacement.
1.5 3cyl FI
2.0 4cyl FI
3.0 6cyl FI
4.0 8cyl FI

all to save cost by using the same parts. A 2.2 would not fit this scheme.

comar1979 · 01-20-2011, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by KL2DC

R.I.P. N52

+1

I Hope that Heart beats a very Long Time in my 130

BMWCadet · 01-20-2011, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magbarn

I'd keep that car for life. "it's the last of the (NA) v8 interceptors". Makes me regret getting the d....

To all you turbo lovers... A Turbo engine will never match the throttle response of a NA engine with 8 individual throttle bodies

Thanks for telling us something we figured out a couple years ago.

BMWCadet · 01-20-2011, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Daft

Does this mean the 5th gen M3 will be out as a 2014 or 2015 model year? Either way, I'm gonna enjoy this V8 while I still can!

What exactly do you think is going to happen? As soon as they shut down production, your M3 is going to explode? Enjoy the car for as long as you want to keep it. I for one am excited to eventually own a TT M3...in it's 2nd year of course

rori zahr · 01-20-2011, 07:11 AM

If Z4 30i is going to et the 4 cylinders turbo what is gonna happen to the let's say Z4 23i ???

comar1979 · 01-20-2011, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rori zahr

If Z4 30i is going to et the 4 cylinders turbo what is gonna happen to the let's say Z4 23i ???

Its boing to Be a 4 banger too...

rori zahr · 01-20-2011, 07:32 AM

I can't imagine how tiny that small engine is gonna look inside the Z's long hood :-(

InTheNightKitchen · 01-20-2011, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason

[*]E92/E93 3 series and M3 to end production sometime in 4th Quarter 2012[/list][/bpnews]

I thought about a second V8 E92 or E93 in White, so I still have a chance to get allocate finances

01-19-2011, 06:16 PM	#23
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rori zahr AristoCat Drives: 125i coupé Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Beirut Posts: 635 iTrader: (0)	If Z4 30i is going to et the 4 cylinders turbo what is gonna happen to the let's say Z4 23i ??? __________________ AristoCat

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rori zahr AristoCat Drives: 125i coupé Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Beirut Posts: 635 iTrader: (0)	I can't imagine how tiny that small engine is gonna look inside the Z's long hood :-( __________________ AristoCat

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5erman Banned Drives: black 5 series Join Date: May 2009 Location: ohio Posts: 324 iTrader: (0)	Well I truly do believe these engines will be better in every respect or I truly believe bmw would not have taken this leap. However you just cannot help be sad to see the end of the bmw Inline 6! I mean how many famous bmw's had an inline 6 engine, so many car magazine raves and so many years refining their trademark. Really a sad day, however in the end I do believe both bmw and M division will perfect these turbo applications where we will not be able to tell the difference between an NA and these but will have more power, torque, efficiency and at a lower cost. That is the great thing about technology

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Bartman619 Captain Drives: Bimmer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: SDCA Posts: 652 iTrader: (2)	Is the BMW Turbo4 direct injected ? I hope it doesn't suffer from the carbon buildup problems that the VW 2.0T suffers from.

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MazdaFan Second Lieutenant Drives: 08 E90 BMW 328i 6MT Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Socal Posts: 209 iTrader: (0)	F20 and F30 are based on the same platform, so I don't think they can design the F20 for I-4 engine only. Both can take I-6 engines in my opinion. Even if they make it I-4 only they can't pull the engine all the way forward because the weight distribution won't be ideal.

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cloakster First Lieutenant Drives: 2012 VW GLI Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 374 iTrader: (0)	mmmm, a 128i with the new I4 turbo....what a bang for your buck that will be

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