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      01-13-2011, 03:33 PM   #23
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No care for F1..they can do whatever they like

Moto GP is currently much more entertaining to watch IMO and they are continuing to push the speed envelope in every aspect.

Rossi on the Desmo GP11 this year=
Why does it have to be one or the other? Both are great entertainment. TV does not do either justice. TV certainly doesn't illustrate how violent and loud F1 cars truly are. You can feel the shifts, not just hear them. World Superbike was arguably the best/closest racing in 2010. I hope Rossi does do well on the Ducati. An Italian on an Italian bike. Should be great. Schumi will be competitive this year.
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      01-13-2011, 04:30 PM   #24
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Besides anyone who knows anything about current f1 knows that engines don't really mean that much, the aero is really what separates the front runners from the back markers.

Besides turbo 4's have just as much a place in F1 history as NA v12's, and even more so that v8's or v10's.
Word. Adrian Newey probably affects the outcome of the two championships more than most team principals and drivers can. Only Ferrari, Cosworth, MBZ and Renault provide engines to all the teams, yet some are faster than others. It's all about aero so I can see how the esoteric nature of that technology might make it boring to watch.

The only thing I'm going to miss is the sound of a high revving engine. The cars will still be as fast and development of new fuel efficient F1 engines only means that the consumer market will be blessed with new turbo technology that will allow for even more potent torque monsters that don't get pitiful mpg. Which reminds me of another point that was brought up earlier about 747 fuel consumption vs F1 season emissions. Sure a 747 flying today pollutes tons, however fuel efficient engine development for F1 will continue to push the envelope on cleaner production car tech which if and when implemented on a mass scale will do far more to negate future pollution. Get on the wagon guys. New things are good things.
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Well your credibility went out the window with this. The new M5 will NOT offer any NA engine, let alone a reworked v10. All they will offer is the m4.4 v8TT engine.

I guess the one thing we could learn from the F1 turbo engines are how they STILL are able to redline well up to 12k? I think MANY M fans would be happy regardless of if a turbo was on our car, if M could make a car revving to 8-9k.

While people taut that they want "an NA" M car, in reality most people want the high-revving engine because it makes them feel like a race driver and that is what many of us seek or enjoy. Cant beat the sound of a high revving engine
The prototype F10 M5 were spotted by the paparazzi with an engine 4.4L bi-turbo. Many sources report that the F10 is to get a M5 V10 5.5L without turbo
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      01-13-2011, 05:15 PM   #26
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The prototype F10 M5 were spotted by the paparazzi with an engine 4.4L bi-turbo. Many sources report that the F10 is to get a M5 V10 5.5L without turbo
Sounds to me like something is being seriously lost in translation en route to Poland, or some folks over there just prefer to delude themselves.

At this point there is simply no chance that the production M5 will show up with anything other than an S63 V8. You can take it to the bank.
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      01-13-2011, 05:16 PM   #27
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Why does it have to be one or the other? Both are great entertainment. TV does not do either justice. TV certainly doesn't illustrate how violent and loud F1 cars truly are. You can feel the shifts, not just hear them. World Superbike was arguably the best/closest racing in 2010. I hope Rossi does do well on the Ducati. An Italian on an Italian bike. Should be great. Schumi will be competitive this year.
Personally I never got into F1 racing for one reason or another..I relate more with Moto GP because I enjoy riding at the track and love the tech that trickles down from GP racing into motorcycling,from traction control to the protective gear we wear.Street bikes have a lot more in common with GP bikes,compared to street cars(the ones majority of us can afford) and F1 cars.

Never seen an F1 race in person..Love to one day.I do have tickets to the Red Bull US GP in Laguna Seca for later this year,so I'm excited to see that!
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      01-13-2011, 05:19 PM   #28
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Never seen an F1 race in person..Love to one day.I do have tickets to the Red Bull US GP in Laguna Seca for later this year,so I'm excited to see that!
Austin in 2012 will be a good opportunity.

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      01-13-2011, 05:22 PM   #29
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hell, a lot of Americans are just as close or closer to Montreal which is one of the sweetest races all year. I'd just go to that in 2011 instead of wait for Austin 2012. I am sad to admit that I've also never been to an F1 race, though I watch every qual and every race year round on tv. So glad it's going to be in HD this year.
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Austin in 2012 will be a good opportunity.

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      01-13-2011, 09:30 PM   #31
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hell, a lot of Americans are just as close or closer to Montreal which is one of the sweetest races all year. I'd just go to that in 2011 instead of wait for Austin 2012. I am sad to admit that I've also never been to an F1 race, though I watch every qual and every race year round on tv. So glad it's going to be in HD this year.
+1 I am going to make a point of going to Montreal because I want to see/hear the V8's before they die.

That said, I think it is going to cost a boat load of money to R&D new I4 turbo engines. I mean it cost Ferrari $100 million to redesign a double diffuser. This goes against lowering cost in everyway that Jean Todt stated when he was running for FIA president. I don't think the cars will be horrible but it is possible that other series will have faster cars which would be truly saddening. F1 is supposed to be the preeminent racing series of the world not some greenie PR test ground.
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The prototype F10 M5 were spotted by the paparazzi with an engine 4.4L bi-turbo. Many sources report that the F10 is to get a M5 V10 5.5L without turbo
I would change your "sources" of information. You will be waiting many years to see a v10 come back--many as in never this lifetime. You will NEVER see a new v10 produced again ever in any car, let alone the m5.

The current 5L gets 15mpg on the HIGHWAY if that and 7-8 around city. Do you think bmw would use that engine, make it biger and thurstier to even have the guts to come out with a car doing 10mpg highway/6 city?

I mean just makes no sense with the way they are going green. You should use common sense before "sources" Its a good rule of thumb for life. Common sense goes a long way
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      01-14-2011, 10:17 AM   #33
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Sounds to me like something is being seriously lost in translation en route to Poland, or some folks over there just prefer to delude themselves.

At this point there is simply no chance that the production M5 will show up with anything other than an S63 V8. You can take it to the bank.
I found this info in internet and not only on the Polish side , but also in many foreign.

One more thing... If you are interested in Poland, then see how we play there:

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I found this info in internet and not only on the Polish side , but also in many foreign.

One more thing... If you are interested in Poland, then see how we play there:

Anyone street racing is not my cup of tea--I am an adult, professional and like to follow the law and be safe so not really going to be impressed by a youtube video of "how you play in poland" But thanks for the offer.

If you want to believe in a 5.5L V10 then great-enjoy!
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      01-14-2011, 11:23 AM   #35
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Why does the 21st century have to fuck up everything that was great. I'd honestly rather go to an ALMS race than an F1 event now. MotoGP with Rossi on the Desmo will be something to see as well.
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Why does the 21st century have to fuck up everything that was great. I'd honestly rather go to an ALMS race than an F1 event now. MotoGP with Rossi on the Desmo will be something to see as well.
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I don't care how high the turbo M's will rev. Turbocharging makes cars sound like vacuums.
You must have a pretty crazy vacuum.......
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Posted on the F1 site, quote by Martin Whitmarsh from McLaren:

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MW: We at McLaren are unequivocally in favour of 1.6-litre four-cylinder turbocharged engines as outlined recently by the FIA. They’ll be every bit as powerful in terms of bhp as the 2.4-litre V8s we currently run, and they’ll be of considerably more interest and value to car manufacturers in terms of the learning opportunities they present for optimising fuel efficiency and performance.
Even if they're down a few HP from last year's cars, if the racing is close and tight, it'll be just as fun to watch. Hope this brings out some aggressiveness out of the drivers like back in the good old Senna-Prost-Berger-Mansell days.
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They used similar engine configurations in 1984, I believe.
I think during the 80s there were 1.5 litre turbos that produced more power than the V8s and V12s of the modern era - for example Honda had a 1.5 that produced over 1000BHP.
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This past season was the closest in history, it had some of the best racing and story lines in the last 20 years.

I can't even believe a true fan of F1 would say it's getting more boring, did you watch at all between 2000-2005? The season was over at the first corner, just MS walking away with the title again. How is that fun to watch?



17 years ago. Get over it. Besides if you're truly a senna fan you'd think you would have some interest in watching his nephew start his f1 career.



That's what happens when you only watch for one driver, im sure you'll be around next year when he is in a competitive car, although he still might be getting his face kicked in by his teammate.



I know, I can't believe any true f1 fan couldn't be in awe over this past season.

Besides anyone who knows anything about current f1 knows that engines don't really mean that much, the aero is really what separates the front runners from the back markers.

Besides turbo 4's have just as much a place in F1 history as NA v12's, and even more so that v8's or v10's.
Best post of the thread.
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I think during the 80s there were 1.5 litre turbos that produced more power than the V8s and V12s of the modern era - for example Honda had a 1.5 that produced over 1000BHP.
They were V6s as well

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Its not all that bad, smaller engines - lighter weight, more optimized engine - burn less fuel - car carrying less fuel on board - again...lighter weight...with just a few HP less, might works better towards balancing the car.
Or, have more accessible "weights" to move around the car to optimize weight balance and the characteristic of the chassis and preference of the driver.

F1 is not all about power. Renault kept claiming they has the least powerful engine last year, look what happened. The great design and balanced chassis will dominate the field instead of a big powerful engine.
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I was a big Shumi fan as well but man this past season was so exciting between Vettel, Webber and Alonzo. Mercedes GP wasn't good this past season but rumor has it, it will be the team to watch this year. (speeeed maniac) and Alonzo are raw talents with Kubica from Renault as well. So there is plenty of excitement there don't miss out on.
Alonso said the other day that he expects Schumi to be his main rival for the 11' season...I hope it's true
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