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      12-23-2010, 01:12 PM   #133
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      12-28-2010, 01:23 AM   #134
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Car looks good but a lot of wishful thinking. I'd be very surprised with a sub 4.0 0-60....

Let's wait and see what happens instead of acting like fanboys and already speculating what cars can spank the M when we don't quite know what's under the hood.
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      12-28-2010, 01:50 AM   #135
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Car looks good but a lot of wishful thinking. I'd be very surprised with a sub 4.0 0-60....

Let's wait and see what happens instead of acting like fanboys and already speculating what cars can spank the M when we don't quite know what's under the hood.
Sorry but your skepticism here is not well placed.

The current M3 with competition package (not that this package has any real influence on 0-60) has already achieved a 3.9. Now agreed, that number is a bit of an outlier, but it still made it. The new one will absolutely be sub 4.0 and sub 4.0 won't be such an outlier more of simply a solid run.

Really you don't need to know much more than power and weight to predict performance. As well the tires, chassis and most importantly launch control will all be better in the next gen car.
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      12-28-2010, 03:59 AM   #136
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M3 is not a direct competitor to GTR guys

i don't doubt that next m3 would get beat by current gen GTR
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      12-28-2010, 04:33 AM   #137
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All this speculation is fun.

One thing i think some of us underestimate is BMWs competition. F32 M3 wont be out for a couple of years. Couple of years in the car industry is a good amount of time for a manufacture to revamp a model with more power and better handling.

Also while these numbers seem impressive today, will they be impressive in 2013?

You can bet the future C63, CTS-V, and maybe even the light weight Audi Quattro will make things even more interesting.

BMW has always been the benchmark so i have faith in the next M3. They know how to make a well balanced a car so 0-60 times are meaningless to me. The weight savings does perk my interest though
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      12-28-2010, 04:35 PM   #138
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All this speculation is fun.

One thing i think some of us underestimate is BMWs competition. F32 M3 wont be out for a couple of years. Couple of years in the car industry is a good amount of time for a manufacture to revamp a model with more power and better handling.

Also while these numbers seem impressive today, will they be impressive in 2013?

You can bet the future C63, CTS-V, and maybe even the light weight Audi Quattro will make things even more interesting.

BMW has always been the benchmark so i have faith in the next M3. They know how to make a well balanced a car so 0-60 times are meaningless to me. The weight savings does perk my interest though
Yes it's fun. Not much else for M3 enthusiasts to do now except watch the 1M and new F10 M5...

What the competition does is keenly watched by BMW. Even the IS-F is and will be a viable competitor. That is why there is always a "leap frogging" process of besting and then besting back. For example the E46 M3 bested the then current S4, RS4 bested the E46 M3, E9X M3 came back and bested the RS4. Unfortunately the RS5 fell a bit flat, but you get the point. The M3 has had a truly remarkable history of besting pretty much everything seen as a direct competitor. Although those margins are indeed shrinking (e.g C63 vs E9X M3 - very close on both straight line speed and even handling - you can't call AMG cars "one trick ponies" with just raw drag power anymore).

If history repeats itself, which I have every reason to believe it will, the next gen M3 will set the benchmark above its competitors just as it always has done. If the competition throws a serious wrench in the spokes I would indeed expect a bit of adjustment by BMW, but then again they might not be able to do so without encroaching on the space occupied by the M5.

You will always have high performance to cost cars that will out drag and/or out track the M3 today the Z06 and GT-R are examples. However, those being either literally or practically 2 seaters does not make them truly direct competitors IMHO.
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      01-04-2011, 04:41 AM   #139
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i don't think i like it. i absolutely love the e90 m3, and i think i'm going to be forced to buy one when they are taking the last orders for them.
i love the looks and performance, and i'm not sure i like the looks of the f30 m3. plus, it might be kind of cool to have the last naturally aspirated generation of the m3.
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      01-04-2011, 05:02 AM   #140
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Some of the threads that make every M3 generation heavier:
Why no adaptive cruise controle on M3?
Where can I get head-up-display?
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If so many want this, why not just get the most powerfull BMW 3 Series, that is the 335i with M badge from M sport package? Or then why not get the M5, useless but fast?
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      01-04-2011, 09:46 AM   #141
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Some of the threads that make every M3 generation heavier:
Why no adaptive cruise controle on M3?
Where can I get head-up-display?
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If so many want this, why not just get the most powerfull BMW 3 Series, that is the 335i with M badge from M sport package? Or then why not get the M5, useless but fast?
Because they are stupid, are sheep or brand / symbol whores, or maybe just all of the above I saw a 335iS on the road with a ///M badge slapped on it.....wtf

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      01-09-2011, 07:03 AM   #142
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Here's a bit of Business 101 for companies who like to remain at the top.

As if any realistic rumours are going to surface this far out!

If I were BMW I would be letting the I6 T or TT rumours continue this far out for the new F32 M3. The primary thing this does is keep the selling solid for the current NA V8, secondly its lets competitors become a little complacent.
Closer to actual official release, perhaps 1 year out, release some real rumours.

They MUST have a platform that can comfortably be tuned up (500HP) if Audi/AMG pull a rabbit out of a hat 12months prior to release, and that is not an I6.

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Approx 4L TT V8 with 470+ HP.
Weight will not be higher than current, the E9X M3 is a Tank.
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Approx 4L TT V8 with 470+ HP.
Weight will not be higher than current, the E9X M3 is a Tank.
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      01-09-2011, 02:21 PM   #144
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Slightly off topic, but I always wondered this about fuel economy. Since the main driving reason for BMW is to be green, I thought I'd ask this question here. Forgive my lack of knowledge.

A V8 engine is two I4 engines bolted together in V shape. Could it be possible to use only one of the I4 banks for let say cruising? If possible, I think that'll be 'green'. We'd have the full V8 for normal usage. And manually or automatically (which can even be programmed in to M drive), we can switch to single I4 mode for high way cruising...
It is possible to use only one bank. GM came up with this technology for its V8 engines called "displacement on demand" where it would run on only 4 cylinders until demand called for more.
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In fact there is for the M3 F32 a possiblility of having a TT 4.0l V8 based on the upcoming TT 4.0l V8 (450 HP) that is to replace the TT 4.4l V8 (400 HP), but I still doubt it, the gap would be to big between the M3 F32 and M2 F22 with its TT 2.0l I4. When the M5 F10 comes out, its engine will already be old, in fact it is already old, the X5/X6 M already have it. It may be the same for the M3 F32, the X3 M F25 will get the S55 before.
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a possiblility of having a TT 4.0l V8 based on the upcoming TT 4.0l V8 (450 HP) that is to replace the TT 4.4l V8 (400 HP),
Weird. They already have a 4liter V8 that almost makes 450hp... And honestly, 450hp from a 4liter V8 with TWO turbos is LAME...
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Weird. They already have a 4liter V8 that almost makes 450hp... And honestly, 450hp from a 4liter V8 with TWO turbos is LAME...
+1 that would be lame.

upon reconsidering this issue, i think that the car will be fast like what the op had said. i dont think the next m3 will get sub 4secs from 0-60 or anything along those lines, but i believe the m3 will be blazing fast.

and the gtr doesnt compete with m3. it competes with the 911 turbo, fcars, and lambos. how nissan manage to do that all for less than 100k? iono
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In fact there is for the M3 F32 a possiblility of having a TT 4.0l V8 based on the upcoming TT 4.0l V8 (450 HP) that is to replace the TT 4.4l V8 (400 HP)...(
As far as I know, that's engine is still just rumor based on the fact that people believe BMW will make all engines with cylinders that displace 0.5L.

Even if it does appear, there's no better chance for an M3 engine based on it than there is for an M3 with the S63.
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As far as I know, that's engine is still just rumor based on the fact that people believe BMW will make all engines with cylinders that displace 0.5L.

Even if it does appear, there's no better chance for an M3 engine based on it than there is for an M3 with the S63.
Sure nothing was confirmed yet, but BMW can't leave it so. THe TT 4.4l V8 is the worst of its category. The new Mercedes 4.7l V8 Biturbo and the the Audi 4.0 TFSI V8 are more efficient and more torquy and powerfull. Remember when the 645Ci (E63) NA 4.4l V8 became a 650i (E63) NA 4.8l V8. I wonder what engine will the new 335i/340i ? F30 get? The 320 PS TPT 3.0l I6 of the last 640i F12?
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It's a Sh*t. No V8. R6 bi-turbo - no engine. It's only wind under hood, without beautiful V8 sound.
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You confuse sticking to the point and sarcasm with being sensitive and pissed off?



No, because with 3 extra years of development and knowing what is currently out now, an M3 should be able to do more than "just barely" outperform a Boss based on these predictions.



Just as mine is considering BMW has a 3 year lead.



I don't think it should ALWAYS be ahead, but given how much BMW touts their engineering prowess, three YEARS of extra development time should yield more than just competing in the same (performance) class.



If power and acceleration are so cheap to create, why doesn't BMW do it to a level that they can trounce the Boss? Considering that their GT (with less peak power than the Boss) is a driver's race with the current M3, why doesn't BMW go ahead and add enough power in the next gen to trounce the Boss since power is so cheap to create?



translation: WAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! Someone isn't fawning all over the new M3 and its *sniff* just not fair damnit!

I will agree that my first two posts are epic... epic owning of you, that is Just because you have a 2010 doesn't mean you should take these posts so personally
There comes a point where the value and truth behind what you are saying are over-shadowed by the douche oozing through your pores.

Do you talk like this to people in real life? I would imagine you get popped in the face every other day. I am willing to bet money that you don't.

I really don't know what your upbringing is or what neck of the woods you come from but I'll tell you what, I don't care if you're Einstein, you won't make it very far with a disrespectful attitude like that.
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If history repeats itself, which I have every reason to believe it will, the next gen M3 will set the benchmark above its competitors just as it always has done.
If history were truly to repeat itself, the next M3 will have worse fuel economy than it does now. That's not going to happen as BMW isn't that stupid. Stupid, but not that stupid. Performance is at the expense of fuel. We'll have to wait and see which they decide to bias. Of course the new car could be quicker from a launch due to a variety of things, but that's even more difficult if they want to improve fuel economy (and therefore sell cars). I think the modern-day M3 formula is fucked. Too big, too heavy, too thirsty.
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translation: WAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! Someone isn't fawning all over the new M3 and its *sniff* just not fair damnit!

I will agree that my first two posts are epic... epic owning of you, that is Just because you have a 2010 doesn't mean you should take these posts so personally
I don't quite understand why you think I'm upset that you are not "fawning" over the next M3? I really am not concerned what you think of the next M3. Damn, I'm not even sure what I think of it yet. In fact, I think I was actually acknowledging that some other cars are catching up or have already caught up in acceleration performance. Why would I say that if I was upset that you were not "fawning" over the next M3? Anyway, think what you will...

I don't think I have ever felt so "owned" before...

What my first post in response to you should have been was
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