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      02-11-2007, 06:26 PM   #67
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The turn in WW2 began when Hitler was too eager to conquer Moscow, no matter what. Russians were the first ones to kick them out...
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Anyway, some people from here have no clue about the WW1 + WW2 history of events...specially if they claim anything else than that the US was just a help to win the war...would have done without it anyway.

Anyway, look at the Russian destruction and the number of Russians that lost their lives in the WW2...as compared to the USA,...after all, except for the Hawaii thing, the US did not even see the WW2 on its soil as any other war in last 60 years...but hey...they were involved in every single one of them...
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How about the US congress? I am sure they would have a thing or two to say about it. Anyways there is no oil ($$$) in NK so it will not happen because there is no motivation.
Maybe you are not familiar with the way our system works down here but the President is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. He has the codes that would authorize the launch of our strategic nuclear weapons. No congressional authorization would be required. The call is the President's alone.

Of course if we simply wanted oil, it would me a heck of a lot easier to invade our largest oil supplier and take it from them. They are much closer, as a matter of fact just to the north.
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Maybe you are not familiar with the way our system works down here but the President is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. He has the codes that would authorize the launch of our strategic nuclear weapons. No congressional authorization would be required. The call is the President's alone.

Of course if we simply wanted oil, it would me a heck of a lot easier to invade our largest oil supplier and take it from them. They are much closer, as a matter of fact just to the north.
We'd be so FU#$%&ED if that was completely true...

And I would not be so sure of the mighty powers we have...military, planning, intelectual...
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Our soldiers would be scared of the legendary Canadian snipers lol. Supposedly a Canadian sniper holds the record for the longest confirmed sniper kill...something like 1.5 miles (?).

I have to agree with Marven..."you want tolerance but yet you are intolerant". I am not religious, but all this religious violence is terrible and meaningless. Do you think "God" would call any of this violence morally appropriate? The hypocrisy astounds me.
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We'd be so FU#$%&ED if that was completely true...

And I would not be so sure of the mighty powers we have...military, planning, intelectual...
Who do you think stands between the President and the launch codes?
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Who do you think stands between the President and the launch codes?
Laura...

At this point...300M Americans stand between him and the codes.
At this point 300M Americans stand between him and anything...

I doubt his "leadership" role is effective any more -- he proved that by "adjusting" his approach to Iraq as soon as he lost the Senate and the House...
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Laura...

At this point...300M Americans stand between him and the codes.
At this point 300M Americans stand between him and anything...

I doubt his "leadership" role is effective any more -- he proved that by "adjusting" his approach to Iraq as soon as he lost the Senate and the House...
This is not about this President specifically it is about the power of the office.

The President, no matter who he is, is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. A presidential order containing the proper launch codes goes through no congressional committee or judicial review before it gets to the men and woman who would execute the order.
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Of course if we simply wanted oil, it would me a heck of a lot easier to invade our largest oil supplier and take it from them. They are much closer, as a matter of fact just to the north.
Well I'm glad to see that at least one of our American brethern knows where most of the oil comes from..

As for taking it, yeah that's true...not much but the Princess Patricia Regement stands in your way

Living in the US for the last year and a half I have great respect for the "Army of One"....even if I dont respect the leadership....

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Our soldiers would be scared of the legendary Canadian snipers lol. Supposedly a Canadian sniper holds the record for the longest confirmed sniper kill...something like 1.5 miles (?).
We do have world class snipers and more... We don't just have the numbers the US has.

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...PPCLI Canadian Soldier Corporal Rob Furlong (Operation Anaconda, Afghanistan) -holds the record for the longest, recorded and confirmed sniper kill at 2,430 metres (1.5 miles) using a .50 caliber (12.7 mm) McMillan TAC-50 rifle.
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Well I'm glad to see that at least one of our American brethern knows where most of the oil comes from..

As for taking it, yeah that's true...not much but the Princess Patricia Regement stands in your way

Living in the US for the last year and a half I have great respect for the "Army of One"....even if I dont respect the leadership....

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Fine, fine soldiers in the PPCLI. Had the pleasure to work with them a couple of times and they are some of the best, most professional soldiers I ever had the pleasure of working with. I believe if I looked hard enough I could find my honorary crest.
I mean I am a very proud Canadian and that's part of the reason I going back to Toronto. The US have the Delta Force, Navy Seals, CIA, FBI etc. The UK have MI5, SAS...I just wish we had a tougher sounding name ya know
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I mean I am a very proud Canadian and that's part of the reason I going back to Toronto. The US have the Delta Force, Navy Seals, CIA, FBI etc. The UK have MI5, SAS...I think we could come up with some I just wish we had a tougher sounding name ya know
How about JTF2 (Joint Task Force 2)? They are our Elite military combat personnel that perform similar duties to the Delta Forces, Navy Seals, Air Force Pararescue and US Secret Services for VIP protection.
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How about JTF2 (Joint Task Force 2)? They are our Elite military combat personnel that perform similar duties to the Delta Forces, Navy Seals, Air Force Pararescue and US Secret Services for VIP protection.

Ok I didnt know that but cool...

BTW you own an M and a 328xi "on order" AND you live in Canada...jeez u must be doing well...

I am in no way trying to be sarcastic BTW...After experiancing the price of gas and cost of cars here I cant help but feel ripped off in CAN...guess people in Germany feel it even more BUT that's a thread that been discussed to death by my fellow Canadian's
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How about JTF2 (Joint Task Force 2)? They are our Elite military combat personnel that perform similar duties to the Delta Forces, Navy Seals, Air Force Pararescue and US Secret Services for VIP protection.
I have a buddy who was a SEAL and he speaks highly of the Canadian Special Ops guys.
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drifting away from the topic...
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This is not about this President specifically it is about the power of the office.

The President, no matter who he is, is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. A presidential order containing the proper launch codes goes through no congressional committee or judicial review before it gets to the men and woman who would execute the order.
Only Congress can declare war.

Article 1, Section 8, Clauses 1 and 11.

Oh heck, just give the whole thing to Iraq. It worked well for us for 200 years and we are not using it anymore.
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Only Congress can declare war.

Article 1, Section 8, Clauses 1 and 11.

Oh heck, just give the whole thing to Iraq. It worked well for us for 200 years and we are not using it anymore.
Congress can declare war but Presidential use of military force is not dependent on such a declaration. This conflict in power and responsibility has been acknowledged since the earliest days of the Republic.

John Adams fought the Quasi War (1798-1800) with France without a congressional declaration of war and Thomas Jefferson did the same with regard to the Barbary Pirates.
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Congress can declare war but Presidential use of military force is not dependent on such a declaration. This conflict in power and responsibility has been acknowledged since the earliest days of the Republic.

John Adams fought the Quasi War (1798-1800) with France without a congressional declaration of war and Thomas Jefferson did the same with regard to the Barbary Pirates.
Both of these examples were reactive, defensive and primarily naval in nature. But I do concede that congress (small c) seems very willing to fail to fulfill their constitutional obligations in this regard. Thus allowing the Executive branch to go to war pretty much on its own.

As I said, we are not using it anymore.
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Both of these examples were reactive, defensive and primarily naval in nature. But I do concede that congress (small c) seems very willing to fail to fulfill their constitutional obligations in this regard. Thus allowing the Executive branch to go to war pretty much on its own.

As I said, we are not using it anymore.
I am not sure what you mean by "we are not using it anymore" but the power of Congress to declare war has never been seen as a limiting factor in a President utilizing his constitutional power as Commander in Chief.

Congress has the power to end military operations which they oppose by denying funding but they do not have the power to interject themselves between the Commander in Chief and the troops under his command.
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that's not the point. the fact of the matter is the most powerful wins, when whatever arab nations wants to try and take power away from israel....let them. which will never happen. i mean... honestly, who wins a 4+ front war.... they are obviously doing something right. they have the best airforce in the world, they train the best pilots in the USA. you have to understand, israel will never lose... because they CAN'T lose, the land is ALL they have... without that small little piece of land, they have nothing. the arabs have 100 other places to go. palestine? there is NO palestine.... there are no palestinians... i'm not here to give a history lesson but look at the geneology. palestinians are nothing more than displaced jordanians.


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I just jumped into this Iran thread and honestly i'm not gonna voice my opinion here because if I do all hell will break loose, especially for snawaz!!
One thing I can say though is that most of the Iranian people hate their government. Especially that NutJob Mahmoud Ahmadinejad .
I am jewish and have many Iranian Persian friends which i love deeply. They are great people. And most of them don't have anything against jews.
But their government... Damnnnnnn I can write a book about how messed up they are.
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