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      11-28-2010, 06:21 PM   #1
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no, not at all.
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I never did like the look of the 1 (or the 1m) -- it's just too small - absolutely no comparison to the M3..
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I never did like the look of the 1 (or the 1m) -- it's just too small - absolutely no comparison to the M3..
Actually the 2 cars will be compared and cross-shopped a lot. I owned a 135i and a 335i at the same time and the 1 series was so much more fun to drive. It's too early to compare them yet, but I have a feeling the driving dynamics of the 1M coupe may be more enjoyable (than the M3) as well. I have absolutely no regrets with the M3, but if the 1M coupe was out right now, it probably would have been a very tough choice. I love the size of the 1 series and think the 3 series is too big. But the S65 engine is what sold me on this car and knowing that this may be the last NA M car, I don't regret my decision one bit.
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If you live in a small city and do more city driving you will find the new 1M more fun but if you do a lot of highway driving then the M3 gets the medal. Depends on where you live and where you drive most of the time.
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It wont even be out till next summer so who knows.
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      11-29-2010, 12:06 PM   #7
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i wouldn't cross shop the 1m with the current m3 due to the zero similarity between the engine.

but i would definitely cross shop between the 1m and the new m3 turbo.
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i would love a 1m five door. will they make one?
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Long-term readers have no doubt noticed my persistent bitching about M3s gaining size and weight over the years, making them less wieldy than I think they ought to be.

Therefore, I'm thinking hopeful thoughts about this baby M. There is the possibility that if they make the sunroof an option, the overall weight may stay under 3400 pounds. Combine that with the shorter wheelbase and this could be the M of choice for handling and tossability fiends.

Hope they don't screw it up.

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Long-term readers have no doubt noticed my persistent bitching about M3s gaining size and weight over the years, making them less wieldy than I think they ought to be.

Therefore, I'm thinking hopeful thoughts about this baby M. There is the possibility that if they make the sunroof an option, the overall weight may stay under 3400 pounds. Combine that with the shorter wheelbase and this could be the M of choice for handling and tossability fiends.

Hope they don't screw it up.

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I agree. I'm hopeful it'll be < 3400 lbs and > 345 hp. I plan to trade my 335xi coupe for my dealer's first M1. It should be a fun car. Overall performance will likely fall behind the M3 but faster Ring times don't make a car more fun to drive.
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Actually the 2 cars will be compared and cross-shopped a lot. I owned a 135i and a 335i at the same time and the 1 series was so much more fun to drive. It's too early to compare them yet, but I have a feeling the driving dynamics of the 1M coupe may be more enjoyable (than the M3) as well. I have absolutely no regrets with the M3, but if the 1M coupe was out right now, it probably would have been a very tough choice. I love the size of the 1 series and think the 3 series is too big. But the S65 engine is what sold me on this car and knowing that this may be the last NA M car, I don't regret my decision one bit.
agreed in all respects... I was actually cross-shopping the 135i and 335i before this M3 just totally blew my budget. it probably would've been a harder decision if the 1 series M Coupe was around
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I would totally buy a completely stripped 1m, I really like how the 1 series looks and it would be a fun track car
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I never did like the look of the 1 (or the 1m) -- it's just too small - absolutely no comparison to the M3..
so you guys also didnt like the e30 m3? or even e36?
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so you guys also didnt like the e30 m3? or even e36?
Probably weren't born then.
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Long-term readers have no doubt noticed my persistent bitching about M3s gaining size and weight over the years, making them less wieldy than I think they ought to be.

Therefore, I'm thinking hopeful thoughts about this baby M. There is the possibility that if they make the sunroof an option, the overall weight may stay under 3400 pounds. Combine that with the shorter wheelbase and this could be the M of choice for handling and tossability fiends.

Hope they don't screw it up.

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3400 lbs is in the right range but it ain't exactly E36 M3 light! It's suspension will probably but more comfort oriented and less performance oriented than the M3. The M3, although heavier, simply with a fully tuned suspension and some track rubber might have better handling and heaven forbid... maybe better feel. Either way it will be a cool car.
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3400 lbs is in the right range but it ain't exactly E36 M3 light!
One of the lucky participants who won a trip to Germany for a test drive was told the car will be no more than 1500 kg, which I believe places it between the e36 and e46 M3 in terms of mass. Power output of 340 hp will keep power to weight ratio below current M3 and close to e86 Z4M coupe, although it appears to have an overboost mode similar to the 335is. It remains to be seen whether the N54 power plant uses the same turbos - a few sources indicate upgraded snails with test drivers reporting better power delivery at high revs as compared to standard N54 engine. Car will be revealed in full in 10 days, and hopefully full engine specs will be made available at that time.
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They are making a shitified M3 GT so who knows. I wouldn't completely write that idea off.
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3400 lbs is in the right range but it ain't exactly E36 M3 light! It's suspension will probably but more comfort oriented and less performance oriented than the M3. The M3, although heavier, simply with a fully tuned suspension and some track rubber might have better handling and heaven forbid... maybe better feel. Either way it will be a cool car.
All that is possible, but from my admittedly biased point of view, I enjoyed driving a 128 with sports package more than the M3. As long as the poundage is kept reasonable, the 1M may simply be the better overall drive, much as the current M3 is over the last M5.
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i'm sure that little thing would be a blast to drive.

Too bad I'd have to look at it though.
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One of the lucky participants who won a trip to Germany for a test drive was told the car will be no more than 1500 kg, which I believe places it between the e36 and e46 M3 in terms of mass. Power output of 340 hp will keep power to weight ratio below current M3 and close to e86 Z4M coupe, although it appears to have an overboost mode similar to the 335is. It remains to be seen whether the N54 power plant uses the same turbos - a few sources indicate upgraded snails with test drivers reporting better power delivery at high revs as compared to standard N54 engine. Car will be revealed in full in 10 days, and hopefully full engine specs will be made available at that time.
Sounds promising! But I would not bet in it. I will have to see it before I believe it. It is a souped up 135 including souping up which almost for sure required weight gain. There is always the possibility that the car when weighed will come up under the speced curb weight as well even when using true curb weight standards. Many M3's do this.
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Sounds promising! But I would not bet in it. I will have to see it before I believe it. It is a souped up 135 including souping up which almost for sure required weight gain. There is always the possibility that the car when weighed will come up under the speced curb weight as well even when using true curb weight standards. Many M3's do this.
Gains:
More weight comes from bigger wheels (in some cases), brakes, muffler and perhaps transmission enhancements (LSD, M3 tranny) - would you say about 50-75lbs or so?

Neutral:
Engine compartment looks all but the same. Bumpers are unknown. Interior probably the same.

Savings:
A few lbs are shaved from the aluminum suspension components. I'm guessing sunroof will not be standard (that's a 40lbs saving).

I give it the same as a 135i, or under 3400lbs.
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