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      02-09-2011, 06:35 PM   #89
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I keep checking the Ford website, hoping to be able to "Build" one there.

Any guesses as to when they might update to the 2012 models? I really don't wish to troll the "Ford" BBoards.
www.edmunds.com will let you build one. There aren't many options and the big one is the Laguna Seca Package which is over $7000. I am considering the Boss as my next car.
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the M3 is an aging platform, with only a few years to go i'm confident, the new M3 will set the standard for the sports cars. Well with increasing threat's like the mustang GT/500, CTS-V, ISF, 5.0L Genesis R, 2012 ZL1 and much more it will be hard.
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Here's the first three journalist drives:

http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...and-video.html

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...302/index.html

http://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-mus...ve-review.html
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Thanks for posting. All good reads. The car appears to have lived up to the hype (which is quite expected, after all). If I were buying a car today, this would surely be on my test drive list (the standard Boss, not the LS), though I don't know that I could give up DCT and the convertible.

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Thanks for posting. All good reads. The car appears to have lived up to the hype (which is quite expected, after all). If I were buying a car today, this would surely be on my test drive list (the standard Boss, not the LS), though I don't know that I could give up DCT and the convertible.
The non-LS will replace our minivan nicely.
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Here's Autoweek: http://www.autoweek.com/article/2011...IEWS/110229961
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If I were buying a car today, this would surely be on my test drive list (the standard Boss, not the LS), though I don't know that I could give up DCT and the convertible.
There won't be enough of them to have test drives available, unfortunately.
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There won't be enough of them to have test drives available, unfortunately.
Could very well be. In metro Detroit, however, magical things are possible if you can get in touch with the right people.
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There won't be enough of them to have test drives available, unfortunately.
Agreed, for us regular folks most of these cars will be bought sight unseen. Especially when most of the dealers are only getting 1 of them in. A few large dealers will maybe get 2. I know Galpin Ford here in Los Angeles is asking 20k over MSRP right now.

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perhaps, but bmw does not need to compete with another maker..i dont think they should. their cars are good enough as is, and i think they set the standard for other makers
You want BMW to compete, or otherwise you get mediocrity at best. I personally don't see the Boss 302 as a competitior for the M3. People who buy M3s generally want the nice amenities which the Boss 302 doesn't have. They have to get into a regular Mustang if they want the amenities. However, I wish Ford would build these as a option for the Mustang that way for those that want a nice track car without breaking the bank the Boss 302 would fit right in. At the rate a Boss 302 is going to sell for you might as well get a M3.

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At the rate a Boss 302 is going to sell for you might as well get a M3.
Absolutely. $41k MSRP + 20k gets you an M3 easily.
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I commend Ford for making a good track car. Only thing I can see is it should weight a lot less... but it is a muscle car so it tends to weight a lot. I saw GVW of 4600 pounds on insideline. But Ford did a great job of modifying this car to make it a track car. I wouldn't mind driving one of these that's for sure. But a M3 killer it is not, as its in a different segment, the M3 is not a pure track car like this one was made to be.
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No, actually the Boss and M3 weigh about the same. The Boss is listed a little lighter actually at 3600 lbs vs. 3700 lbs for the official M3 weight.



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I commend Ford for making a good track car. Only thing I can see is it should weight a lot less... but it is a muscle car so it tends to weight a lot. I saw GVW of 4600 pounds on insideline. But Ford did a great job of modifying this car to make it a track car. I wouldn't mind driving one of these that's for sure. But a M3 killer it is not, as its in a different segment, the M3 is not a pure track car like this one was made to be.
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No, actually the Boss and M3 weigh about the same. The Boss is listed a little lighter actually at 3600 lbs vs. 3700 lbs for the official M3 weight.
That's what I thought it would be, not sure where insideline was getting 4600 from unless it was a typo as the base GT weights in just over 3600. Still for a car they wanted to make a "track car" I would have liked to see it dip below 3500 at least. Or 3400 would have been even better. But still, I would love to try driving one some day and see what its like. Not that I would trade it for a M3, wouldn't give it up for a mustang Maybe as a second car for track duty, but daily driver, nope.
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That's what I thought it would be, not sure where insideline was getting 4600 from unless it was a typo as the base GT weights in just over 3600. Still for a car they wanted to make a "track car" I would have liked to see it dip below 3500 at least. Or 3400 would have been even better. But still, I would love to try driving one some day and see what its like. Not that I would trade it for a M3, wouldn't give it up for a mustang Maybe as a second car for track duty, but daily driver, nope.
GVWR = gross vehicle weight rating. that's the rated capacity of the vehicle plus its payload. A car with a curb weight of 3,600 pounds with a GVWR of 4,600 pounds is rated to carry as much as 1,000 additional pounds of weight (i.e. passengers, cargo, etc.). it's rare to see a review quote the GVWR for a passenger car (especially a performance car). it's more typical to see it for SUV's and trucks, which are frequently used for carrying cargo.
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GVWR = gross vehicle weight rating. that's the rated capacity of the vehicle plus its payload. A car with a curb weight of 3,600 pounds with a GVWR of 4,600 pounds is rated to carry as much as 1,000 additional pounds of weight (i.e. passengers, cargo, etc.). it's rare to see a review quote the GVWR for a passenger car (especially a performance car). it's more typical to see it for SUV's and trucks, which are frequently used for carrying cargo.
Beat me to it..

I've seen E92 M3s weigh in at 3555lbs..how does BMW get 3700lbs?

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Beat me to it..

I've seen E92 M3s weigh in at 3555lbs..how does BMW get 3700lbs?

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Need to make sure you're comparing apples to apples.

DIN curb weight is the car with all fluid and fuel tank 90% full, but no driver.

Some European car makers now quote only curb weight according to EEC (European) standard, which is DIN curb weight + 75kg (68kg driver and 7kg luggage). Note that many sources confuse between DIN and EEC figures thus made wrong comparison between cars.

SAE (American) and JIS (Japanese) curb weight seems to be different too - only half tank of fuel is needed. Otherwise same as DIN. This could be around 20-30kg lighter than DIN for most cars.

Some sports car specialists (e.g. Lamborghini) quote only dry weight, which is the car without any fluid, fuel and driver. This could be around 70-90kg lighter than DIN for most cars.

The 3,704 lb +/- weight for the coupe on the BMW USA website is to EEC standard, I believe. However, they use the term "unladen weight", so it's rather confusing. If you subtract 75 kg (driver & luggage) forom 3,704 lbs. you get 3,539 lbs., and that's still with 90% tank of fuel. To try to clarify, I checked the BMW UK and Germany websites, but could not find weight figures. BMW South Africa, however, states 1,655 kg (manual) for "EU unladen" weight, which is 3,649 lbs.
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Need to make sure you're comparing apples to apples.

DIN curb weight is the car with all fluid and fuel tank 90% full, but no driver.

Some European car makers now quote only curb weight according to EEC (European) standard, which is DIN curb weight + 75kg (68kg driver and 7kg luggage). Note that many sources confuse between DIN and EEC figures thus made wrong comparison between cars.

SAE (American) and JIS (Japanese) curb weight seems to be different too - only half tank of fuel is needed. Otherwise same as DIN. This could be around 20-30kg lighter than DIN for most cars.

Some sports car specialists (e.g. Lamborghini) quote only dry weight, which is the car without any fluid, fuel and driver. This could be around 70-90kg lighter than DIN for most cars.

The 3,704 lb +/- weight on the BMW USA website is to EEC standard, I believe. However, they use the term "unladen weight", so it's rather confusing. If you subtract 75 kg (driver & luggage) forom 3,704 lbs. you get 3,539 lbs., and that's still with 90% tank of fuel. To try to clarify, I checked the BMW UK and Germany websites, but could not find weight figures. BMW South Africa, however, states 1,655 kg (manual) for "EU unladen" weight, which is 3,649 lbs.
Thanks Greg...
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at 41 to 47k this car is a bargain you can't get past those prices since the car only has to options available, Recaros+torsen LSD(Must have option) and the Red Key.

this car should defiantly get in the hands of track enthusiast, not people who are going to store it. i still cant believe a dealer wants 100k for a LS model.
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Another one: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/02/24/2...-drive-review/
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Wow, a second faster around the track. Very impressive!
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Wow, a second faster around the track. Very impressive!


on other news a second in a track like laguna-Seca is very hard to attain. the M3 Cp is faster by a few seconds than a regular GT, MT comparo was great giving that both cars had the same driver and were driven the same day, but a bette driver will net better performance from the M3.
Only the regular Boss is 1 second faster than the M3, the LS is around 2-3 seconds faster.

M3 drivers should't even be concern over this, the M3 will plainly be superior just because. of course the M3 is superior as a whole package, but performance wise other cars just surpass it.
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