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      10-25-2010, 04:07 AM   #1
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Lightbulb F30 F32 M3 Targets 450ps. More Performance Variants Possible, F32 M3 CSL

As reported on M3POST HOMEPAGE.

As for the M3 I would say 450 PS (~ 443hp) will be the ceiling for the road car and they will probably add to that later , as the GTS has shown that a market exists for more track orientated edition of the car and the competition package is proving popular that BMW M are looking to enhance the M3 experience with the F32 and emulate a series of extreme variants like Porsche do with the 911 and to capitalize in it's DTM return.
Although the current M3 is not finished yet.

It could also mean a CSL could return but first expect some significant reductions with the road going M3 - The first out of the stable in 2014.
Initially available in Coupe , then Cabrio format.

And here is when it gets interesting depending on your point of view.
With the Sedan expected to be not replaced.

BMW are considering the 3er Gran Turismo. Before the hatred begins.
3er GT is nothing like the 5er GT in form. It is lower and sleeker although uses the extended structure that will be found on the F30 3er Li for the Chinese market.

Think of the 3er GT as a Concept CS shrunk for the Premium Entry segment (3er). There will not be a M5 GT.
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As for the M3 I would say 450 PS will be the ceiling for the road car and they will probably add to that later , as the GTS has shown that a market exists for more track orientated edition of the car and the competition package is proving popular that BMW M are looking to enhance the M3 experience with the F32 and emulate a series of extreme variants like Porsche do with the 911 and to capitalize in it's DTM return.
Although the current M3 is not finished yet.

It could also mean a CSL could return but first expect some significant reductions with the road going M3 - The first out of the stable in 2014.
Initially available in Coupe , then Cabrio format.

And here is when it gets interesting depending on your point of view.
With the Sedan expected to be not replaced.

BMW are considering the 3er Gran Turismo. Before the hatred begins.
3er GT is nothing like the 5er GT in form. It is lower and sleeker although uses the extended structure that will be found on the F30 3er Li for the Chinese market.

Think of the 3er GT as a Concept CS shrunk for the Premium Entry segment (3er). There will not be a M5 GT.
The return of the CSL M3! Please make it so!
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Please please please a CSL for the NA market.
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So a M3 GT huh...
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I'm really curious to see an M3 GT but I'll most likely get the coupe. CSL = WIN.
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What is CSL?
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what is CSL?
really?

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If the next generation M3 goes turbo, i guess i'll be looking at other car makes. After the N54 turbo issues, recalls, lawsuite...no thank you. I think BMW should stick w/ N/A engines, but i know they are under pressure to conform to environmental standards, compete with better fuel consumption, etc.

I guess i'll be getting a 2011/12 e9X M3 and have the last N/A engine along with my e60 M6 V10
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oh okay, didn't know... thanks Scott.

Edit: 450PS and 370tq+ in a lighter car would be great!!!
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450 hp for 2014? It seems a little down on power to me... Merc's C AMG has 450+ hp and its almost old as the current m3...
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450 hp for 2014? It seems a little down on power to me... Merc's C AMG has 450+ hp and its almost old as the current m3...
It'll be more than enough if they get the weight down. It's all about power-to-weight ratio.
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oh okay, didn't know... thanks Scott.

Edit: 450PS and 370tq+ in a lighter car would be great!!!
No worries--he has provided a ton of information for the upcoming 1M, and most of it has turned out to be true.

You tend to take his word for most things...
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So are we to understand "expect some significant reductions with the road going M3" as meaning it should weigh significantly less than the E92?

And I'd buy the CSL providing BMW doesn't make the price ridiculous...
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+1 the ///M division has always been about more than raw power.
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450 hp for 2014? It seems a little down on power to me... Merc's C AMG has 450+ hp and its almost old as the current m3...
but it's not all about power...is it...lol
Merc weighs 7 tons
Porsche 911's run 330~350s with great performance
go for american muscle for hp world (not a sarcasm), mustangs and chargers look great + great hp these days
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What is CSL?
I believe "Coupe, Stock, Lightweight". Think Mercedes 'black edition' where they take to Mini roots and add lightness. The E46 M3 CSL version had a cardboard trunk floor and plastic rear window in some regions of the world. I don't recall if power increase was also a feature.
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oh okay, didn't know... thanks Scott.

Edit: 450PS and 370tq+ in a lighter car would be great!!!
torque is usually about the same number as hp with turbos, i.e 450 ft/lbs

edit: unless maybe a high reving turbo which I would prefer
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450 hp for 2014? It seems a little down on power to me... Merc's C AMG has 450+ hp and its almost old as the current m3...
Also the C-class AMG will be a TTV8 vs the M3 with a TT 6-cylinder.

BMW will market it on its chassis and weight loss. But many will look at the huge potential a TTV8 has in a small C-class.
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So are we to understand "expect some significant reductions with the road going M3" as meaning it should weigh significantly less than the E92?

And I'd buy the CSL providing BMW doesn't make the price ridiculous...

Could be the weight too, but I think he means the features of the first F3X in 2014. If a CSL does come through, they're going to have to leave some features exclusive to that car, so the "road going" M3 might suffer.

help us out here scott. thanks for the info!
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