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      01-29-2007, 09:34 AM   #45
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OK the "inside" information over at germancarzone.com is base price = 650,000kr (Sweden). Audi RS4 is 731,000kr. RS4 base USD is $66k. 650/731 * $66k = drumroll .... $58.6k. Right where most of us are predicting! Again even I will say without tooting my own horn, it ain't over until the fat lady sings, but this new information, along with the historical BMW price information, points to a base price of < $60k. For the hundredth time I don't want to argue about a well optioned price but it is almost for sure not going to cost even $70k (let alone mid 70s) with some options AND out the door with tax!
Agreed. I have also predicted this price point. Mid to high sixties for a well optioned car would be great. I don't know about others but you had to select almost every option to get the price to the mid sixties on the E 46. (Competition Package excluded.) I'm not so certain that a comp. package will be available so soon on the new model.
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      01-29-2007, 01:51 PM   #46
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Allright, I am willing to lay down $70K for the car but it better be SIGNIFICANTLY better than E46-M3 in both 0-2-60 and all around handling with steering and throttle response outof this world. Also and it better not come second to Toyota's ISF on the interior for that kinda of $$.

Waiting to see the thing ...
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Allright, I am willing to lay down $70K for the car but it better be SIGNIFICANTLY better than E46-M3 in both 0-2-60 and all around handling with steering and throttle response outof this world. Also and it better not come second to Toyota's ISF on the interior for that kinda of $$.

Waiting to see the thing ...
I understand your concern but I think that you're asking a bit much. I can't imagine the E92 being revolutionary v. the E46. As far as the IS-F is concerned, it may end up beating the M3 in 0-2-60 times but that's about it. Oh, it may also have a better looking interior too.
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      01-29-2007, 04:37 PM   #48
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I understand your concern but I think that you're asking a bit much. I can't imagine the E92 being revolutionary v. the E46. As far as the IS-F is concerned, it may end up beating the M3 in 0-2-60 times but that's about it. Oh, it may also have a better looking interior too.
I do not see the IS-F being better than the M3 in any performance metrix out there. Not acceleration, and not handling.
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      01-29-2007, 04:59 PM   #49
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I do not see the IS-F being better than the M3 in any performance metrix out there. Not acceleration, and not handling.

Ditto. There is no way that the Lexus is going to beat the M3 in any speed contest, handling and/or braking test. The interior matter is a subjective one; if you like your sports sedan to look like a luxury car.
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      01-29-2007, 05:13 PM   #50
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I do not see the IS-F being better than the M3 in any performance metrix out there. Not acceleration, and not handling.
I hope you're right. Especially if the Lexus comes out costing $10-15,000 less than the M.
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I do not see the IS-F being better than the M3 in any performance metrix out there. Not acceleration, and not handling.
and Not look.
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      01-29-2007, 05:47 PM   #52
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Another $70K car that will probably beat the new M3 on the track but not on the interior.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=4650

450 bhp with all wheel drive.

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Another $70K car that will probably beat the new M3 on the track but not on the interior.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=4650

450 bhp with all wheel drive.
this is going after the PT
its a full on sports car.

the M3 is now GT car.
different market.
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      01-29-2007, 06:56 PM   #54
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I understand your concern but I think that you're asking a bit much. I can't imagine the E92 being revolutionary v. the E46. As far as the IS-F is concerned, it may end up beating the M3 in 0-2-60 times but that's about it. Oh, it may also have a better looking interior too.
I don't. We should see about 17% increase in lb/hp, bigger brakes, better SMG III, wider rubber, improved suspension design, etc. I think the comparo E92 M3:E46 M3 = E46 M3:E36 M3.

IS-F: I have no concerns about the new M3 literally spanking this car in performance. Of course we will have to wait and see.
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Another $70K car that will probably beat the new M3 on the track but not on the interior.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=4650

450 bhp with all wheel drive.
This will probably outperform the M3, especially if they hit target weight of 3500lbs. Sort of agree with Manz though a different category, although many will probably still choose between them.
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This will probably outperform the M3, especially if they hit target weight of 3500lbs. Sort of agree with Manz though a different category, although many will probably still choose between them.
The part the caught my eye in that article is this:

"Stock boost pressure will be limited to about 10 psi, but we hear that the engine is capable of handling a lot more. A tamer version of this V-6, codenamed VQ37HR-TT, will make its way into the upcoming Infiniti G35 Coupe. Key differences between the engines are that the GT-R's VQ will have the twin turbo*chargers, lighter pistons and connecting rods, as well as a beefed-up crankshaft. Other custom parts may make their way into the engine, including racing profile camshafts and new valvetrain. It will come mated to a Getrag 6-speed transmission or a paddle-shift sequential automatic with seven or eight gears."

Looks like they are going after the 335i market with a detuned version of the GTR TT engine going into the 2008 G35 coupe.

Gotta love this horsepower war! :rocks: :rocks: :rocks:
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This will probably outperform the M3, especially if they hit target weight of 3500lbs. Sort of agree with Manz though a different category, although many will probably still choose between them.
That's me.
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      01-29-2007, 08:00 PM   #58
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I hope you're right. Especially if the Lexus comes out costing $10-15,000 less than the M.
I see a starting M3 MSRP of $55k. I do not see it being $70K, the IS-F will be about $2-5k cheaper as usual.
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I see a starting M3 MSRP of $55k. I do not see it being $70K, the IS-F will be about $2-5k cheaper as usual.
Current rumors/inside information and price models based on previous M releases and differentials all support a base of high 50's. You can find many post here with more info/evidence for this price. I seriously doubt we will get the beast for $55k base. Especially not when it will be handing P-cars, (Carrera and probably Carrera S) as well as AM Vantage their respective a$$'s :rocks:

Also note that some of coasters comments/estimates were for a nicely optioned car, not base MSRP!
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Current rumors/inside information and price models based on previous M releases and differentials all support a base of high 50's. You can find many post here with more info/evidence for this price. I seriously doubt we will get the beast for $55k base. Especially not when it will be handing P-cars, (Carrera and probably Carrera S) as well as AM Vantage their respective a$$'s :rocks:

Also note that some of coasters comments/estimates were for a nicely optioned car, not base MSRP!
I understand that, and I was pointing out that a $70K will be for a nicely optioned.
I remember when the 335i was first priced in Europe, there were speculations that it will be $45K base MSRP in the US based on exchange rates.
So I still see a stripped down version being in the mid $50K range.
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Back on topic - hp!

OK if the M5 is underrated (very likely) it probably puts out about 106 hp/l (530hp). 426 hp (the latest "firm gossip") for the M3 is exactly the same hp/l at the minimum rumored displacement, exaclty 4.0l. Sounds a bit odd to me. I never thought we would get 450 hp like some folks on this board.... However, those folks were right in that the E60 M5 engine is now fairly mature technology (developed around 2004) and if we get the exact same hp/l where is the development/improvement in the new M3 engine??? Also if the redline is even a bit higher (say 8500) we should see about 438 hp from that with no other improvements.

So the options are:

-Engine has less than 4.0 l
-Redline is less than E60 M5
-Engine is almost identical to E60 M5 but has had no significant power producing enhancements in 3 years
-426 hp is underrated, just like the E60 M5! (and maybe we get DGI, higher redline, etc)

Let's keep our fingers crossed for possibility 3 . Seems the most reasonable to me.
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If BMW realy is planning to boom up the hp of the M5,M6 to arount 550hp range it's possible that we'll see the new M3 with 440-450hp at the minimum:rocks:
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Going to be more then the RS4, but not a whole lot.
I am figuring around 435. But BMW knows AUDI coming up with the A5 series.
If the S5 and/ or RS5 coupe going be stronger then the 4 series, and it might be direct competition. I don't think it's going to be a M6 competition.
But we will know on March 7th, at least on the AUDI side.
This might be a major reason why BMW is taking it slow, they want to know what AUDI is coming up with.
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Come on, it doesn't matter what Audi come up with. This is an M chassis on RWD, enough said.
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I think there is too much competition out there (or coming out) for BMW to overprice the M3. Keep in mind the M3, for a hard-edged sports GT, does a LOT of volume for BMW. When deciding on price BMW needs to keep profit/car AND volume high to max overall profit.

Plus consider that when the E46 M3 replaced the E36 M3, the price went up around $6-7K for similar equipment. Although the engine was still a 3.2 L inline six, it was the mack-daddy 3.2L with amazing technology, and overall HP went up from 240 to 333 (40% increase!!!).

I think the E92 will follow suit and increase from a base of $49K to $56K. I hope if the car costs any more than that it is because it has significant lightweight technology to keep the weight at the same level as the E46 M3.
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Does anybody read anything into the recent M3 spy pictures with a M MM 444 number plate ? This would be a great bhp figure
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