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      10-20-2010, 02:23 PM   #1
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PS2 vs Pilot Cups

Have 25K on my E90 with OEM PS2s. Anyone want to comment on experience with Cup Sports? Specifically--any really perceptible difference in turn-in, cornering or steering feel? How much more unstable in heavy rain than the PS2?
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      10-20-2010, 02:48 PM   #2
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Way unstable in heavy rain Cups are amazing sticky tires and really don't last too long

PS2's really aren't to be compared with them, they're in a totally different segment
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PSC tires arent in the same category as PS2s... PSC should be compared to brdigestone re11, nitto nt05, yoko advan AD08, etc.

PS2s competitors would be pirelli pzero, hankook ventus v12, bridgestone re050, vredestein ultrac, etc.

PS2s are much more daily drivable. will have good traction in the rain and will last considerably longer. PSC will probably have half the life of a PS2 tires and be a lot worse in the rain but will be good as a track tire.
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PSCs are stiffer and really meant for serious driving. Your steering will get much more sensitive and the ride will deteriorate. In cold weather (below 50) they won't grip at all and can surprise you.

I consider them a summer hard core performance tire. You must be ready for the compromises they demand.
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As everyone who just posted mentioned, the PSCs are a R compound tire and although can be driven on the street, they aren't to be driven in heavy rain nor in temps under 45 deg..although I know people who have done it with no ill effect, just don't be doing no banzai runs.

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      10-20-2010, 03:22 PM   #6
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PSCs are stiffer and really meant for serious driving. Your steering will get much more sensitive and the ride will deteriorate. In cold weather (below 50) they won't grip at all and can surprise you.

I consider them a summer hard core performance tire. You must be ready for the compromises they demand.
I'm running a Stage 3 Dinan suspension, rear toe links, strut brace, exhaust, software and intake. The PS2s are fine daily drivers, but I would like to have a tire I can use for the track and autocross without having to change tires. I know that's a fantasy, but if the Cup Sports are too unstable in the rain, what would you upgrade to from the PS2s for better cornering and steering, periodic autocrossing, and good rain performance? Do you think the PS2s are the best compromise or can I do better?
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PS2s are best compromise if the money doesn't bother you
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      10-20-2010, 07:37 PM   #8
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PS2s are best compromise if the money doesn't bother you
Exactly what I thought--back to OEM. Hard to believe there is not a stickier, better cornering tire that is similar to a PS2, as the design of the PS2 is getting a little old.
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I found the Yoko AD08 to be better than the PS2 in every way except wet handling and noise. They are not available in our sizes, but you could use 255/30 and 275/30.
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I agree with the above comment, but I don't find the wet traction to be an issue at all. In fact through 4-5k miles with plenty of heavy rain days at highway speeds, I never found them to be unstable (and I am running 275/295 widths.) They are slightly noisier than the PS2, but again well worth the trade off for the performance they provide. Just tried them out at the track over the weekend and was very impressed (high grip, predictable, durable), so they've ticked all the boxes for me. Only issue is size but you can get close to OEM sizes and stagger.
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I'm running a Stage 3 Dinan suspension, rear toe links, strut brace, exhaust, software and intake. The PS2s are fine daily drivers, but I would like to have a tire I can use for the track and autocross without having to change tires. I know that's a fantasy, but if the Cup Sports are too unstable in the rain, what would you upgrade to from the PS2s for better cornering and steering, periodic autocrossing, and good rain performance? Do you think the PS2s are the best compromise or can I do better?
You have to be pretty hardcore to run PSC on the street. If it's a fun car/non daily driver, they're fine. If you drive every day, treadlife and wet traction are too compromised for most people. Bridgestone RE11 or Yoko Advan AD08 are probably more your style. Street tires that are built for some track use, vs the PS2 as a pure street performance tire, and the PSC as a Track tire with some streetability.
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      10-23-2010, 02:30 PM   #12
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You have to be pretty hardcore to run PSC on the street. If it's a fun car/non daily driver, they're fine. If you drive every day, treadlife and wet traction are too compromised for most people. Bridgestone RE11 or Yoko Advan AD08 are probably more your style. Street tires that are built for some track use, vs the PS2 as a pure street performance tire, and the PSC as a Track tire with some streetability.
Thanks. Then the Yoka Neova AD08 is the way to go. Are they available in the correct OEM size for 18 inch stock BMW wheels?
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Thanks. Then the Yoka Neova AD08 is the way to go. Are they available in the correct OEM size for 18 inch stock BMW wheels?
I'm jumping back and forth btw the PM's and forums. Yes, they are available in corrects OEM 18" sizes.
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I have the PSC's on my 600whp Z06, and the PS2's on the M3 - the PSC's are VERY good tires. All it takes is a good holeshot or a little bit of "spirited" driving to get them sticky - once their warm they STICK. As others said, I would only recommend them on a weekend car, or one thatas dedicating to racing (not as an everyday tire). The PS2's on the other hand IMHO are one of the best everyday tires you can buy.....unless you have a supercharged M3 I dont see a purpose in throwing a set of PSC's on it...
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