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      10-11-2010, 01:03 PM   #1
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Does the M3 have one? If so, anyone ever got this replaced near the 80k-100k mark and knows how much it costs?

just trying to figure out what the major services will be in the future, along with costs.
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The M3 uses timing chains, not belts. They're supposed to last the life of the car.

I don't believe the E9x M3 requires anything more than fluid, filter, and spark plug changes. No timing belts. No valve adjustments.
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      10-11-2010, 01:18 PM   #3
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oh thank god...last two beater cars i had cost me almost a grand each just to replace the timing belt and fuel pump. im glad M doesnt have these
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The M3 uses timing chains, not belts. They're supposed to last the life of the car.

I don't believe the E9x M3 requires anything more than fluid, filter, and spark plug changes. No timing belts. No valve adjustments.
Yea supercheap to maintain as far as fluids and such goes.
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Yea supercheap to maintain as far as fluids and such goes.
hmm....curious to know why there are several threads here that people talk about spending thousands in maintenance costs after warranty and service warranty expire...is it really that extreme??
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Fluids border on exotic, and there aren't many options other than the BMW dealer. That's if you're worried about a warranty.

If you're out of warranty completely, many people are looking into aftermarket fluids. Yes, the intervals on this car are frequent, but that's the price of a high-strung engine. You can't just feed it 10W-30 and a bottle of ATF once in a while.
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The M3 uses timing chains, not belts. They're supposed to last the life of the car.

I don't believe the E9x M3 requires anything more than fluid, filter, and spark plug changes. No timing belts. No valve adjustments.
Yeah Audi has those too on their V8. Except the engine needs to be pulled to replace the tensioners between 50-75k miles, right out of warranty - $7500 job.

I just assumed the BMW is better in this regard, but "lifetime" is relative.
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oh thank god...last two beater cars i had cost me almost a grand each just to replace the timing belt and fuel pump. im glad M doesnt have these
Normal maintenance like this doesn't worry me.. This is 2-4 hours on some saturday afternoon. 5k, 10k, 20k+ repairs that only a certified BMW mechanic can do concern me.
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you guys are lucky, mine needs a valve adjustment every 30k
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Yea supercheap to maintain as far as fluids and such goes.
'Supercheap' is a bit of a stretch, when oil and filter alone cost you $150. Supercheap a Honda, with a total cost of $25 for Mobil1 and a filter. Labor would be more on the BMW as well. Everything costs at least twice more on a BMW than your typical Japanese/domestic car.

The expensive part comes if you're one of the unlucky owners who develop a main bearing issue, a bad tranny, bad vanos, a bad idle valve, and any of the finicky multitude of expensive electronic parts/systems on this car after warranty. It scares the crap out of me, but will wait another year to make the call if I risk living with it after warranty or not.
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      10-12-2010, 12:26 AM   #11
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I would anticipate high repair costs kicking in north of 75K miles. I had a 99 740is that ran me 7K per year in maintenance after 100K miles. Struts, springs, water pumps, radiator, main seal, VCGs,... The kicker was when the head gasket and one of the gaskets on the front chest started leaking. Would have required pulling the engine and complete tear down to the block for another $5-7K depending on what else should be replaced as long as you were in there. And that was a 4.4L that eventually found its way into many BMW models.

So, my guess is that while the I6 is pretty bulletproof, low production volume motors like this one will have their share of problems and each problem will be very expensive to fix.
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After reading the forum for years the only real concern of mine is the DCT tranny. Sure not many reports of failures but who knows how it will hold up 75k+ miles.

IF there are issues out of warranty then i would just go to an independent BMW shop for repairs, assuming its mechanical. Even for basic fluid changes i never go to the dealer if i have to pay for it. They overcharge for everything and its why BMW gets a bad rep for being expensive to maintain.

Every car forum no matter which manufacture has issues, just depends how wide spread it is. As far as the M3, most issues dont seem wide spread.

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why is there no valve adjustment?
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I would anticipate high repair costs kicking in north of 75K miles. I had a 99 740is that ran me 7K per year in maintenance after 100K miles. Struts, springs, water pumps, radiator, main seal, VCGs,... The kicker was when the head gasket and one of the gaskets on the front chest started leaking. Would have required pulling the engine and complete tear down to the block for another $5-7K depending on what else should be replaced as long as you were in there. And that was a 4.4L that eventually found its way into many BMW models.

So, my guess is that while the I6 is pretty bulletproof, low production volume motors like this one will have their share of problems and each problem will be very expensive to fix.
Thinking about all these is already making me nervous....if 7k per year in maintenance, u are better off buying a new car...if thats the case with BMW, in general, why would anyone even consider buying to own? it seems ridiculous paying so much in maintenance costs when u just shelled out 75k+ for a car...i guess i was hoping to just drive it to the ground and just do frequent oil and fluid changes...didnt expect to dump another 5-7k/year to maintain the dam thing after it hits 75kmiles
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why is there no valve adjustment?
Hydraulic valve lifters I believe.
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Hydraulic valve lifters I believe.
There're no lifters on a DOHC engine. The S65 uses 'hydraulic' bucket tappets, but I honestly don't understand how they prevent the gap from getting smaller. Never heard of such application, especially on an engine with an 8,400 rpm redline, but it's great news indeed. None of the guys who have torn down engines could explain it either. Short of destroying one (cut it in half), it'll remain a mystery, I guess .
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'Supercheap' is a bit of a stretch, when oil and filter alone cost you $150. Supercheap a Honda, with a total cost of $25 for Mobil1 and a filter. Labor would be more on the BMW as well. Everything costs at least twice more on a BMW than your typical Japanese/domestic car.

The expensive part comes if you're one of the unlucky owners who develop a main bearing issue, a bad tranny, bad vanos, a bad idle valve, and any of the finicky multitude of expensive electronic parts/systems on this car after warranty. It scares the crap out of me, but will wait another year to make the call if I risk living with it after warranty or not.
Yeah well how often do you change the oil? The most expensive part of the maintainance is oil.

Those things are not really maintainance, its just failures and you can not really think like that, unless you buy a honda or something and call it the day if youre to scared of owning a newer car. My friends e46 m3 has 97k miles. And I remember when the e46 came out everybody was scared that the smg wouldnt hold up and all sort of vanos problem will occurr after warranty, and now theres e46 m3s with over 150k miles.
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Back to the OP a little...
But I was under the impression that all engines with timing chains are built for the chain to last the lifetime of the engine. Engines with timing belts will go out and need to be replaced. Having one break on you can definitely cause some extremely high maintenance bills even on cheapo Japanese cars.
Nonetheless, interesting to hear that M3 has the chain version.
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'Supercheap' is a bit of a stretch, when oil and filter alone cost you $150. Supercheap a Honda, with a total cost of $25 for Mobil1 and a filter. Labor would be more on the BMW as well. Everything costs at least twice more on a BMW than your typical Japanese/domestic car.

The expensive part comes if you're one of the unlucky owners who develop a main bearing issue, a bad tranny, bad vanos, a bad idle valve, and any of the finicky multitude of expensive electronic parts/systems on this car after warranty. It scares the crap out of me, but will wait another year to make the call if I risk living with it after warranty or not.
Correction: more like < $15 per oil change with generic filter and dino oil. It's a honda.

I think I have a general rule of thumb for the M3, all maintenance and repairs cost 10 times that of a Honda. Brake rotors, oil, anything. $30 for a front rotor vs $300+..

Oil changes are little compared to what a complete brake jobs costs.
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how much is a new clutch on 6MT vs DCT?
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how much is a new clutch on 6MT vs DCT?
you heard the guy above..."10 TIMES." ...so i guess we now find a list of honda parts and multiply by 10....but im wondering, does that rule go for labor as well? i think my honda tech charges $65/hr....so bimmer techs, $650/hr???
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It not as bad as it sounds. I know some M3 owners with 150,000 plus miles and they just done oil change. It depends how you take car of it. My old M had about 120,000 never changed the clutch, never had any issue. Did oil change every 6,000 miles or so.
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