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      06-30-2006, 01:29 PM   #45
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The new M3 will either equal the M5 0-60, which has had several magazines claim it at 4.1 sec OR............ it is possible that BMW will go for the big kill and keep it below 4 sec's....

Why? Competition man, competition. The RS4 is doing it in 4.3 the new C63 around that and BMW will not be beat on this. So.......... I'm thinkin 3.9 when it finally gets tested but BMW AG will probably claim it at only 4.5 sec's...

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      07-02-2006, 09:39 AM   #46
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seriously, what's so important about 0-60 times? Does everyone who owns a bmw just floor it at every light or what?? Wow my car goes from 0-60 in 3 seconds. yeah and??

as for running from cops LOL.
we cant run from them though. They're crazy. Especially the LAPD.

i kinda agree with this, although it would be AMAZING to see the new m3 hit 60 in around 3.9. but then what would be the point in buying a huge 5.0 V10 M6 if you can get better acceleration from a cheaper m3, with 4.0 V8...? Im more sure it will hit 60 4.5 seconds or under...
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      07-02-2006, 09:45 AM   #47
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Officially BMW lists 0-100km/h in 4.7s for the M5 (Audi RS4, 4.8s). The M3's official 0-100km/h time can't be 4.7s or lower, IMO.
The real-life times are of course different.
In the recent articles that I read on the new RS4, 0-60 times have come in between 4.3 and 4.5 seconds depending upon who you read. The new M3 better do at least as good to maintain its status. This AWD Audi is a monster with a price that seems to start in the mid-$60's. A good price-value for this type of performance! My next car will be the new M3, ...or... maybe the RS4????? Not sure at this point. Will have to wait and see.
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Say, pit it against the current 996 Turbo...
You mean 997?
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      07-14-2006, 05:09 PM   #49
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now that extra power + weight savings translates to this change in 0-60 time: stock M3 : 5.1secs M3 CSL : 4.8 seconds
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stock m3=4.8 CSL=4.6
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      07-14-2006, 05:24 PM   #50
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www.mustang.com or www.nhra.com for the official BMW 0-60/ & 1/4 mile times

More important is the whole package. For example, if you look at Nurburgring lap times for the McLaren SLR you will see 7:52, and 7:50 for the CSL M3. On paper the SLR wins hands down, until you drive it. The CSL owns the skid pad. 1.4g That is the figure that blows away the competition. Add the V8 into the equation and you have a car that is close "on paper" to the famed GTR.
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      07-22-2006, 06:53 AM   #51
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right now im thinking 4.4-4.5, i duno but check this new topic i started...Veyrons rule as fastest car is over !!!...Brabus TKR...new fastest car...0-60 in 1.67 !

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...d=1#post370299
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      07-22-2006, 07:03 AM   #52
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www.mustang.com or www.nhra.com for the official BMW 0-60/ & 1/4 mile times

More important is the whole package. For example, if you look at Nurburgring lap times for the McLaren SLR you will see 7:52, and 7:50 for the CSL M3. On paper the SLR wins hands down, until you drive it. The CSL owns the skid pad. 1.4g That is the figure that blows away the competition. Add the V8 into the equation and you have a car that is close "on paper" to the famed GTR.
You can't compare those numbers. The CSL is on R comps, the SLR is not.

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      07-24-2006, 08:55 AM   #53
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Personally, I would be shocked if they didn't get less than 4.5 seconds. Like others have said, it shouldn't matter if it is faster than the M5, because its suppose to be a different type of drive. I've always imagined the M5 to be the classy higher end type of car ... not really intended for all out speed, but rather prestige and still maintain some power. The M3 always gives me this mental image of a (comfortable) daily driven sports car. The people who get it want a fast car, and are willing to sacrifice some comfort for it... but they still want some comfort (or else, they'd get a corvette).

Think about it. This new M3 shouldn't be much heavier than the current one (it may even be lighter) ... so a minimum of a 20% increase in horsepower (400/333 = ~1.20) should mean that 4.5 seconds wouldn't be far off at all. I couldn't imagine the car with 20% higher horsepower getting less than a mere .3 seconds or so faster when it is currently going close to 5 seconds (AFAIK, BMW advertises the current M3 as 4.8 seconds). Now if it was currently going under 4 seconds, that would be understandable. The under 4 second times are usually much harder to push down (due to excessive wheel spin and the fact that even under perfect grip, the difficulty to decrease 0-60 times increases exponentially)


Also, just for fun, I looked up a 0-60 calculator. I know, I know, this isn't exactly proof that it will be under 4.5 seconds (it most definitely should be taken with a grain of salt...) but it agrees with me somewhat.

http://www.gldomain.com/accelerationcalc/

Entering the stats of a 335i Coupe (3550 lbs, 300hp) yielded ~5.33 seconds ... entering the stats of the current M3 coupe (3400, 333hp) yielded ~4.77 seconds ... entering the conservative stats of the next M3 (3550 lbs ... which assumes it will lose NO weight compared to the current 335i, 400hp which we know they say at least 400 hp) yields ~4.30 seconds. Again it must be taken with a grain of salt, but it seems plausable for a sub 4.5 second 0-60 time.
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      08-28-2006, 10:08 PM   #55
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Car and Driver got the 335i to do 0-60 in 4.9 seconds so my guess is 4.5 seconds and under.
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      09-12-2006, 09:03 PM   #56
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      09-13-2006, 03:54 AM   #57
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Averaging out all the different m5 0-60's it comes down to 4.5 for the new m5, so my guess will have to be 4.6-4.7, the RS4 is at 4.8 so they will surely beat that. I don't know why someone would buy an RS4 for 70k+ when the m3 comin' out will be much cheaper and will look/sound/drive better than the RS4...
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i wonder if somebody knows the meaning of oxymoron......

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The 3-series is BMW's entry levell car. I doubt the M3 will be faster then the BMW M5 flagship. Think of it like the Mercedes C-class. A c55 AMG is kind of an oxymoron if you think about it.

Also, I am not an auto engineer, but does anyone else think it is funny that we all assume BMW has the power to precisely engineer a car to have a 0-60 time of 4.6 vs 4.5 vs 4.7, etc. I think once they get it into the mid 4's they will just leave it so. It is not like they have a special knob that can change the acceleration by .1 sec.
hi ppl i wonder if somebody knows the meaning of oxymoron.
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Car and Driver got the 335i to do 0-60 in 4.9 seconds so my guess is 4.5 seconds and under.
I read the same article in C&D. If the 335i with 300hp can do 0-60 in 4.9 seconds, the new M3 with 400+hp should do 0-60 in the very low 4's (very low - i.e. 4.1/4.2), even if the M3 weighs 300-400 pounds more than the 335i (which I doubt).
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      10-30-2006, 11:33 PM   #60
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Amazing all this talk of 0-60 in mid to low 4 seconds. Superdupercar territory just a few years ago. Gotta love the power of engineering and necessity of staying ahead in the neverending horsepower war.
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4.5 seconds is what the new E92 M3 will do 0-62mph. A fact from BMW AG. 0-100 mph should be little less than the M6 also, but after 100mph, the M6 is supposed to be able to catch up (straight line accel.)

Vmax will be around 320km/h without a limiter, depending on what kind of final gear ratio they will settle on. Of couse it'll be limited to 250km/h from the factory.

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4.5 seconds is what the new E92 M3 will do 0-62mph. A fact from BMW AG. 0-100 mph should be little less than the M6 also, but after 100mph, the M6 is supposed to be able to catch up (straight line accel.)

Vmax will be around 320km/h without a limiter, depending on what kind of final gear ratio they will settle on. Of couse it'll be limited to 250km/h from the factory.

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When will they take the limmiter off? The speed limit at 250 km/h is outdated IMO, more and more car factories do not care about it anymore. So BMW should leave it............................and do what it does best; building remarkeble cars whitout limitation what so ever..............................
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I think BMW will be among the last German manufacturers to break that "pact", because they don't need to prove anything by removing the limiters. Everyone knows their cars will beat the *$/? out of anybody elses if the limiters are off, so they have nothing to prove. More desperate manufacturers on the other hand have started taking the limiters off or making them higher to gain silly press attention or stupid buyers.

If you want the limiter off, it's such a simple ECU change and if you do it at Hartge or Hamann you won't even expire your warranty, so it's not a big deal.

Most of the German Autobahn is pretty good, but still there are very long stretches where 250 is pretty much realistically your top speed unless you have a serious death wish. And there are sections where even 250 is way too much.

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250kmh Is perfectly fine still. I think that It should be there to limit the idiots that just come off the street and buy a car, just to go 200mph. The majority of the people don't appreciate nor respect the power of the cars and are likely to kill themselves and others.

I think that if somebody has that much passion for going fast, they can shell out the cash to Hartge or Hamann to de-limit it.
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250kmh Is perfectly fine still. I think that It should be there to limit the idiots that just come off the street and buy a car, just to go 200mph. The majority of the people don't appreciate nor respect the power of the cars and are likely to kill themselves and others.

I think that if somebody has that much passion for going fast, they can shell out the cash to Hartge or Hamann to de-limit it.
Exactly. Given how fast all M BMWs go all the way to the limiter, I think without the limiter we'd see more of these 19 year old kids (like the one we had chatting here) driving out of the dealership to the nearest highway and kicking it up to 200 mph, with other traffic moving 115mph slower, trying to dodge the first truck that shows up when he hits some other traffic, lose control, crash and die - repeat this by 100 or 1000 dead people and BMW would probably have a bunch of lawsuits on their hands. I think the limiters these days are not so much for the European market as for the US market. But they make sense in Europe too. Driving an unlimited M3 CSL in Germany I could only go over 250 in very few places on very good autobahn stretches and only for very limited amounts of time (maybe 30-90 seconds at a time at around 260-280.) The average comfortable cruising speed was closer to about 220-230km/h.

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Glad you agree, I do remember that kid Mgrady. I hope that he decided on a safe car. And that he drives the car safe.
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