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      01-24-2006, 04:34 PM   #23
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i think if they keep the weight down on the e90 m3 4.5 seconds is not unrealistic for the 0-60mph sprint
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      01-24-2006, 08:53 PM   #24
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I say it will do the 0-60 in 2.2 seconds...


But seriously, is that why we buy a BMW???
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      01-25-2006, 01:08 AM   #25
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I say it will do the 0-60 in 2.2 seconds...


But seriously, is that why we buy a BMW???
no but it doesn't hurt especially when say...i dunno...running from say the police
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      01-25-2006, 03:58 AM   #26
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I say it will do the 0-60 in 2.2 seconds...


But seriously, is that why we buy a BMW???

seriously, what's so important about 0-60 times? Does everyone who owns a bmw just floor it at every light or what?? Wow my car goes from 0-60 in 3 seconds. yeah and??

as for running from cops LOL.
we cant run from them though. They're crazy. Especially the LAPD.
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      01-25-2006, 11:10 PM   #27
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hey some of us live our lives a quarter mile at a time...

but seriously its the complete package that counts that is what bmw excels at
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      01-26-2006, 03:22 PM   #28
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seriously, what's so important about 0-60 times? Does everyone who owns a bmw just floor it at every light or what?? Wow my car goes from 0-60 in 3 seconds. yeah and??
Ok,

Ferrari enzo pulled 1.05G on skidpad. yeah and??
Bugatti Veyron went 0-186mph in 16.8 sec. yeah and??
S2000 has 120hp per liter. yeah and??
BMW handles nice. yeah and??

You were with your girlfriend in your car and got murdered by a mustang on the freeway. Yeah and?? AND you got dumped.

ok. bad example. but you get the idea.
Its just one of the show off performance factor, which can be quite exciting factor in real life.

I wouldn't want to get smoked by a $20,000 stock dodge neon SRT-4 when Im driving a 60k BMW M edition. It better have enough engine power to haul ass.
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      02-05-2006, 01:52 PM   #29
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noooooooo way will it be slower than the e46 M...people who gave numbers above 4.8....????what are you guys thinking? I'm guessing they will advertise them as low 4's maybe even 4 flat...but in real world number i would drop those number anywhere from 10-15%

remember the M is going to be released with a muchhhhh stronger motor and same if not lighter body, so you do the math
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      02-08-2006, 08:58 PM   #30
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4.4secs?

Well, I think it has to be better than the e46 M3...my guess is 4.4secs?! The new Vette Z06 sounds more and more like a great deal to me now...

Anyway, at least I didn't pick up my e46 M3 for the 0-60 factor...just like some of you folks suggested, it's the overall package. In fact, I didn't bother to find out what's e46 M3's 0-60 after my 1st test drive...
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      02-13-2006, 08:22 AM   #31
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I doubt BMW will make the M3 faster in the sprint to 62mph than the M5, more so the M6, it just wouldn't make sense to buy a huge coupe like the M6 and have it squatted by a (seemingly inferior) coupe, that's probably going to be half the price...

Having said that, it will probably hit 62mph at around 4.8-5.0 seconds, just ahead of the Audi S4, but not defeating the 4.6 (M6) and 4.7 (M5)
The M3 will always be a different car than the M5 & M6. They appeal to different markets not only in design (both style and spacial characteristics) but in affordability also, even though most common folk cannot afford any of them.

M3 being the sporty young gun, and keeping in mind the substancial increase in power with the engine has committed to and current E46 M3 specs, 0-100km/h should be south of 4.5 sec.....
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      02-14-2006, 01:13 PM   #32
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I agree. If they can make the 130i faster, with more kw and more torque than the 330i, (which I find quite annoying, since I have a 330i), they can make the M3 faster than the M5/6!

By the way, will the 330xi be faster (0-100) than a 330i?

And is a 330i with Sports Option any quicker on pulloff than a standard 330i?
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      02-14-2006, 01:28 PM   #33
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I agree. If they can make the 130i faster, with more kw and more torque than the 330i, (which I find quite annoying, since I have a 330i), they can make the M3 faster than the M5/6!

By the way, will the 330xi be faster (0-100) than a 330i?

And is a 330i with Sports Option any quicker on pulloff than a standard 330i?
The 330xi weighs something like 400 more pounds than then a simliarily equipped 330i. That weight difference makes the 330i quicker than then AWD 330xi.
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      02-14-2006, 11:09 PM   #34
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      02-16-2006, 06:10 PM   #35
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The M3 will always be a different car than the M5 & M6. They appeal to different markets not only in design (both style and spacial characteristics) but in affordability also, even though most common folk cannot afford any of them.

M3 being the sporty young gun, and keeping in mind the substancial increase in power with the engine has committed to and current E46 M3 specs, 0-100km/h should be south of 4.5 sec.....
The 3-series is BMW's entry levell car. I doubt the M3 will be faster then the BMW M5 flagship. Think of it like the Mercedes C-class. A c55 AMG is kind of an oxymoron if you think about it.

Also, I am not an auto engineer, but does anyone else think it is funny that we all assume BMW has the power to precisely engineer a car to have a 0-60 time of 4.6 vs 4.5 vs 4.7, etc. I think once they get it into the mid 4's they will just leave it so. It is not like they have a special knob that can change the acceleration by .1 sec.
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      02-28-2006, 04:49 AM   #36
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the competition is not within the brand but in the market. the guy who buys a m5 (family man mid 40s, ..)is not considering buying a m3 (20-35 years of age,...). but the guy considering buying a m3 is also considering a rs4. so it will try to beat the competitors (rs4, mercedes, ...) so my guess is: 4.4 - 4.7
just my 2 cents...
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      03-10-2006, 08:55 PM   #37
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the competition is not within the brand but in the market. the guy who buys a m5 (family man mid 40s, ..)is not considering buying a m3 (20-35 years of age,...). but the guy considering buying a m3 is also considering a rs4. so it will try to beat the competitors (rs4, mercedes, ...) so my guess is: 4.4 - 4.7
just my 2 cents...
Not so sure. I'm lets just say beyond the mid 40's and am considering buying the M3 ( Yeah, I know, my wife calls me a juvenile). In any case, I would buy a M3 over a M5 because I can't justify the cost of the M5 (will never make full use of its "expensive" power on the city streets). The M3 gives me the power option at 2/3 's the cost of the M5 - This I can justify in my childish mind.
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      03-12-2006, 11:08 PM   #38
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Not so sure. I'm lets just say beyond the mid 40's and am considering buying the M3 ( Yeah, I know, my wife calls me a juvenile). In any case, I would buy a M3 over a M5 because I can't justify the cost of the M5 (will never make full use of its "expensive" power on the city streets). The M3 gives me the power option at 2/3 's the cost of the M5 - This I can justify in my childish mind.
I am a late 50s "juvenile". I have one of the first E46 M3s, and I will have one of the first E90s. I could afford an M5, but I like the relative compactness of the 3--it's just big enough to be really practical without being over the top.

I predict the performance of the M3 will equal the M5 at lower speeds, but the M5 will hold the edge over 80 or so. Heck, I love the S54's performance, but if I have to get a V8, I guesS I can live with it. Haven't seen anything else from other makes that intrigues me.
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      03-13-2006, 07:41 AM   #39
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I am a late 50s "juvenile". I have one of the first E46 M3s, and I will have one of the first E90s. I could afford an M5, but I like the relative compactness of the 3--it's just big enough to be really practical without being over the top.

I predict the performance of the M3 will equal the M5 at lower speeds, but the M5 will hold the edge over 80 or so. Heck, I love the S54's performance, but if I have to get a V8, I guesS I can live with it. Haven't seen anything else from other makes that intrigues me.
Agreeed! The compactness of the 3 is what makes the M3 much more superior then the M5 in my book atleast, and the performance should be similar down low and the differences would mainly show in the higher speeds where the V10 will be untouchable. Hope you are right, it will be great for us M3 fans
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Hey guys
I try to translate a quote from chef-designer Adrian van Hooykonk of BMW, words he said in a interview with "auto-motor und Sport" (German Magazine). They talk about the lines of the coupe 335i.

He says about the lines of the car:" it (the car) should not promise, what it cannot hold: for examle looking like a racecar. Finally we still bring out a M3 and a Racecar on the basis of the 3-row."

My interpretation: they dont consider it as a racecar, although it has 0-60 5.5 secs. But they consider the m3 as a racecar. this means to me, the m3 will be a whole lot faster than the 335i. i would predict 4.5 sec for the normal m3 and 4.2-4.3 sec for the m3 csl.
Plus, this generation will have to remain for 6-7 years ( I think thats about the pace they got for a new row). Today there are so many brands making fast cars. i think in 3-4 years you wont impress anybody by a 5 sec car. So they will make the car fast enough to endure their image as sportscars, also in the upper regions.

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I think 4.5-4.6 would be about right......
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      05-31-2006, 01:50 AM   #43
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well heres my .02cents:

the next M3 will almost for sure be modelled after the E46 M3 CSL and the M6. BMW has been experimenting with light-weight materials, and will push the enevelope even farther with the E90M3, thats for sure. They've already perfected the use of those new smc ultra light bumpers which will be on the E90. They will almost for sure have a lightweight CF roof section. The big question is willl they have the guts to put the superlightweight hood/front fender/trunk sections in? Or just put in a relatively lightweigh aluminum piece like on the E46m3. With all this combined, I can bet you the next M3 will be lighter then the E46m3, even with the larger (but not much heavier) V8 derived from the M5/M6 V10 in it.

SO the car will be a bit lighter, with a whole lot more power, and more importantly more TORQUE. the extra torque is really going to kick the 0-60 time down a good amount..

I honestly believe the competition is going to have something to worry about again with the next M3, just because of the brand new engine BMW commited too and the long term comitment BMW has to the use of lightweight materials. They've already tooled up their factories for large volume production of the smc body parts.

lets look at the e46m3 for an example

the stock M3 weighs : 3400lbs.. the M3 CSL weighs... 3050lbs..
thats a nice chunk of weight savings
the stock M3 has : 340hp the M3 CSL has : 360hp

now that extra power + weight savings translates to this change in 0-60 time: stock M3 : 5.1secs M3 CSL : 4.8 seconds

thats not bad, I'm going to make a blind guess and say that a stock E90M3 with all the electronic gizmos will weigh in at about 3200lbs and will make 400hp with 320ft.lbs of torque. This should all translate to a 0-60 time of about 4.6-4.8seconds would be my guess.

I would have to agree with you. BMW is experimenting with new light weight materials(Carbon Fiber) as we see in the CSL and M6...hopefully they will use these in the new M3er. With weight savings and more power its gonna be fater to 62 then the My car (e46 M3) and little slower then the M6 IMO
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I like MI6's prediction of 3.9 seconds (when tested by magazine)
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