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      09-20-2010, 01:23 AM   #1
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Need help with setup.. rubbing

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Im running a 10.5 rear wheel with a 22 offset with 295/30/19 advan ad08 tires.

front is 9 inches with 13 et and 245/35/19

Suspension: kw v3s on lowest setting front and rear

Im having a rear rubbing issue where its not rubbing the top(eventhough very very close maybe 3mm) its the lower quarter panel (near driver not rear bumper) where its rubbing. Its literally maybe rubbing 2MM or so. What can i do to address this?

Also the front is rubbing on the fender liner minorly.

Im honestly very scared to drive car as i feel like the front on a big dip can come up and break the fender and the rear might mess up my quarter panel as its so close!

If i raise the car a 1/4 or more of an inch will the rubbing stop? Im trying to figure out if this will happen no matter what height or if i need to replace my front/rear tires as the advan ad08 run very agressive! Im sure if i was a running a tire without such a square setup i would have no problem.

NOTE: i had these tires on my car with rd sport springs and i had no rubbing problems at all, i took some agressive turns and it never rubbed.

Will getting 295/30/19 michelin pilot sports fix this problem?

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Hello

Im running a 10.5 rear wheel with a 22 offset with 295/30/19 advan ad08 tires.

front is 9 inches with 13 et and 245/35/19

Suspension: kw v3s on lowest setting front and rear

Im having a rear rubbing issue where its not rubbing the top(eventhough very very close maybe 3mm) its the lower quarter panel (near driver not rear bumper) where its rubbing. Its literally maybe rubbing 2MM or so. What can i do to address this?

Also the front is rubbing on the fender liner minorly.

Im honestly very scared to drive car as i feel like the front on a big dip can come up and break the fender and the rear might mess up my quarter panel as its so close!

If i raise the car a 1/4 or more of an inch will the rubbing stop? Im trying to figure out if this will happen no matter what height or if i need to replace my front/rear tires as the advan ad08 run very agressive! Im sure if i was a running a tire without such a square setup i would have no problem.

NOTE: i had these tires on my car with rd sport springs and i had no rubbing problems at all, i took some agressive turns and it never rubbed.

Will getting 295/30/19 michelin pilot sports fix this problem?

thx
Seems like your only choice would be to try to raise the car. Being on the lowest settings would probably make it not the greatest handling car anyway. Your combination of an aggressive offset, the AD08 which run a bit wider than other brands of the same size, and the ultra low ride height is causing the rubbing. The other thing you can try to to maximize your negative camber but I'm not sure if you're already there or not.
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Seems like your only choice would be to try to raise the car. Being on the lowest settings would probably make it not the greatest handling car anyway. Your combination of an aggressive offset, the AD08 which run a bit wider than other brands of the same size, and the ultra low ride height is causing the rubbing. The other thing you can try to to maximize your negative camber but I'm not sure if you're already there or not.
im definately go to raise the car ATLEAST 1/3 of in inch.

I dont want to play with camber more then i have too, im trying to do my best not to change the tires as its just too much hassle.

I need to go see westend to help me out...
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update:

ive noticed its mainly the drivers side with the rubbing issue.

Is it me or do ms driver side set lower then pass.
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Your rears are simply too wide for the suspension/wheel setup. With that amount of stagger, the understeer is going to be substantial too. As for ride height, the big advantage in having a coilover suspension is the ability to corner balance the car, and that will determine final ride height. But if it is at the lowest setting, it's probably too low by a good margin.
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Suspension: kw v3s on lowest setting front and rear
That is probably way too low! Post some pics of your car.
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im going to raise 1/4 of an inch

I got appointment at westend so lets see what he can do, he said its fixable with camber and such
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Curious why you messed with the setup...josh wasn't rubbing? Advan are known to "Run larger" than others...they're very square.
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Curious why you messed with the setup...josh wasn't rubbing? Advan are known to "Run larger" than others...they're very square.
The toyos just do not offer good grip in my opinion (they suck)

I wanted to make the car a better handler. I believe im very close. Very has VERY minimal body roll, suprising VERY little oversteer, and it just grips like a mofo! Im very happy with it,

Yoko doesnt make 285s or else i wouldnt have any problems, the big problem here is i cheaped out on not getting ps2's . Couldnt justify spending 2g's on tires. If i had ran a 245/295 with its round sidewall i wouldnt have any issues. Its a little too much hassle to get my tires replaced now. I just have to live with them. Im confident Darin @ westend will fix this issue.
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If people are able to fit 275's on the front without rubbing there's no good reason you should have problems fitting a 245 unless you went with "bling" offsets for "stance" instead of focusing on how to fit the most tire under the fender. A 13mm front offset tells me there's tons of room toward the inside of the wheelwells. Take advantage of it.
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If people are able to fit 275's on the front without rubbing there's no good reason you should have problems fitting a 245 unless you went with "bling" offsets for "stance" instead of focusing on how to fit the most tire under the fender. A 13mm front offset tells me there's tons of room toward the inside of the wheelwells. Take advantage of it.
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Its a combo of low offset plus the height of the tire. These tires are an inch taller than the stock 19's + low ride height + the tires are known to be pretty bulky = you get rubbing.

If you do a 275/30/20 (which I dont recall seeing) it is actually shorter than the 245/35 = maybe no rubbing.

What I have seen on the forums is 275/30/19 which is actually a shorter tire than the stock 245/35/19 = no rubbing.
You might want to check over the original post, he said he's using 19" tires? Either he's confused or you are, I'm not sure.
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Your main problem is the overall diameter is too big. That combined with the low ride height = rubbing.

Raise it up some and/or go with 245/30 and 295/25 (even 305/25 will work). Most wheel companies use those sizes as the basis for making a setup for the M3.
He's on 19's. See his original post. Your tire size advice is valid for 20" wheels.

BTW for reference I am running 255/30 and 325/25 Pirelli tires on my 20" wheels and Eibach springs without any rubbing issues.
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He's on 19's. See his original post. Your tire size advice is valid for 20" wheels.

BTW for reference I am running 255/30 and 325/25 Pirelli tires on my 20" wheels and Eibach springs without any rubbing issues.
Out of curiosity, what is your rear wheel width and offset?
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Wow sorry OP I couldve sworn it said 20". Ignore my posts.
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i will try to post some pictures today when im home....
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Raise the car and add some camber.
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The toyos just do not offer good grip in my opinion (they suck)

I wanted to make the car a better handler. I believe im very close. Very has VERY minimal body roll, suprising VERY little oversteer, and it just grips like a mofo! Im very happy with it,

Yoko doesnt make 285s or else i wouldnt have any problems, the big problem here is i cheaped out on not getting ps2's . Couldnt justify spending 2g's on tires. If i had ran a 245/295 with its round sidewall i wouldnt have any issues. Its a little too much hassle to get my tires replaced now. I just have to live with them. Im confident Darin @ westend will fix this issue.
did you mean understeer? Is it bad with the 245/295 combo? I still can't believe those wheels were built so aggressive up front that you can't put the proper tire on there.

If I were you I would just keep the tires and raise the car a bit. The handling probably isn't great with the kw's at their lowest setting either...

if you do end up raising the car, make sure to snap some pictures before. It probably looks amazing as is.
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pictures of my drop

this was first day kws were on im sure they have settled a little more

I hope this gives everyone a better idea
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pictures of my drop

this was first was kws were on im sure they have settled a little more

I hope this gives everyone a better idea
wow, your car looks gorgeous! let me know if you end up selling that lip
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Out of curiosity, what is your rear wheel width and offset?

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