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      10-12-2016, 05:00 PM   #1
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Which tires are a step up from PSS that are still good for the street, or is PSS at the top. Thanks
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Which tires are a step up from PSS that are still good for the street, or is PSS at the top. Thanks
There are tires above the PSS, but you start making huge trade-offs in ride quality, noise, wet traction, and tread life. Examples would be the Bridgestone RE-71R, Hankook RS3, and Yokohama AD08R.

I moved from the PSS to the AD08R since I track the car. While the AD08R did handle track duty much better than the PSS, it's a big downgrade for street driving. They ride very hard and are a lot louder. If I could do it again, I would have just bought another set of PSS and saved some cash for dedicated track wheels/tires.

Frankly, I don't think you should drive fast enough or hard enough on the street to need more than the PSS.
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If you want something "trackable" that still behaves well on the street then take a look at the Bridgestone RE-11. They are very livable on the street but won't give you the same treadwear as PSS. Hard to say if they are a step up grip wise. Based on the TireRack consumer ratings, they actually have slightly less grip in the dry than PSS but they won't fall apart on the track.

If it's for the street only, PSS is still the king.
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      10-12-2016, 09:14 PM   #4
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RE-11 is outdated now, the RE-71R is the replacement and does offer more grip in warm conditions. In cold conditions, rain and all the PSS will be better. The difference between PSS and RE-71R won't be noticeable on the street.

If you're just driving on the streets and light track, PSS are the best tires. RE-71R is more hardcore and won't do as good as the PSS on the street.
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There are tires above the PSS, but you start making huge trade-offs in ride quality, noise, wet traction, and tread life. Examples would be the Bridgestone RE-71R, Hankook RS3, and Yokohama AD08R.

I moved from the PSS to the AD08R since I track the car. While the AD08R did handle track duty much better than the PSS, it's a big downgrade for street driving. They ride very hard and are a lot louder. If I could do it again, I would have just bought another set of PSS and saved some cash for dedicated track wheels/tires.

Frankly, I don't think you should drive fast enough or hard enough on the street to need more than the PSS.
I could care less about ride quality, the harsher the better. Wet traction isn't really a problem, usually only 1 month out if the year it rains. Tread life and grip is really what I'm looking for so PSS seems to be the best option but I'm still not sure
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      10-13-2016, 11:38 AM   #6
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RE-11 is outdated now, the RE-71R is the replacement
Has Bridgestone actually said this because I view them as two different classes of tire.

RE-11 is a trackable street tire
RE-71R is a street legal track tire.

RE-11 won't give you the grip the RE-71R will but it last longer and grip better in the wet and probably will ride better on the street. It's also a bit cheaper.
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      10-13-2016, 06:16 PM   #7
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I could care less about ride quality, the harsher the better. Wet traction isn't really a problem, usually only 1 month out if the year it rains. Tread life and grip is really what I'm looking for so PSS seems to be the best option but I'm still not sure
PSS will give you the best balance of wear and grip, I'd say. The next category up will wear very quickly. A lot of people seem to like the Bridgestone S04 as an alternative.



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Has Bridgestone actually said this because I view them as two different classes of tire.

RE-11 is a trackable street tire
RE-71R is a street legal track tire.

RE-11 won't give you the grip the RE-71R will but it last longer and grip better in the wet and probably will ride better on the street. It's also a bit cheaper.

This seems to be inline with what the guys I've talked to at the track say: that the RE-71R is a "cheater" tire that's extremely aggressive. I think it was someone on this site that said their S2000 has RE-71Rs and they were shot after just a couple of track days.
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      10-13-2016, 07:31 PM   #8
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This seems to be inline with what the guys I've talked to at the track say: that the RE-71R is a "cheater" tire that's extremely aggressive. I think it was someone on this site that said their S2000 has RE-71Rs and they were shot after just a couple of track days.
How many miles would they last on the street? also how stiff are the sidewalls of re71r
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re-11's were replaced by the re-71r. re-11 are no longer in production. probably can find whatever remaining sets are left. re-71's have more grip than the pss but will be louder and wear faster than the pss. same story for the rs-3. don't have experience with the ad08's so I can't say anything there. if you want good wear and good grip, then pss is still the way to go.
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      10-14-2016, 01:36 AM   #10
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PSS will give you the best balance of wear and grip, I'd say. The next category up will wear very quickly. A lot of people seem to like the Bridgestone S04 as an alternative.






This seems to be inline with what the guys I've talked to at the track say: that the RE-71R is a "cheater" tire that's extremely aggressive. I think it was someone on this site that said their S2000 has RE-71Rs and they were shot after just a couple of track days.
I agree, with just sticking to street tires if you don't track your car. It annoying when I see show cars on track tires (toyo R888 or hankook TD, or something similar). Whats the point of putting track mods if you don't track it... Thats just my opinion. You are just paying more money for increased tire wear, less grip on wet or dry becuase you could never get them hot enough through street driving. Michelin PSS are pretty good on the street and wear life is better then track tires.
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How many miles would they last on the street? also how stiff are the sidewalls of re71r

Hard to say since everyone's driving habits are different, but I would be surprised if you got 10,000 out of them.
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I have had re11 on my street cars for years now. I find the improvement in steering feel on the street to be noticeable and of course if you are even a decent driver the difference in how quickly it wears on track compared to the pss is enormous.

I'm a huge fan. I don't think the ride comfort or noise difference is that big either.
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      10-28-2016, 12:19 PM   #13
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At this point, the PSS is still the leader for street use. Like others said, there are a few other tires that will provide a little better grip, but if you are not tracking the car those extreme performance tires really would not be worth it.
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      10-28-2016, 10:21 PM   #14
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I don't think you can get the re11 in a 265 or 275/35/19 size anyway so PSS is probably the way to go
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      10-29-2016, 09:10 PM   #15
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To the OP, what sizes are we talking about here? I like the 275/30/19 and 295/30/19 sizes and that setup is not available in all makes. I am running the PSS's, and would agree this is the best all around tire. Believe it or not only 4 or 5 brands in those sizes.

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      10-29-2016, 09:11 PM   #16
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op, there are better tires but the compromise is tire life and ride quality. what is your main goal? stickiest tire that lasts 8k miles and howls? the pss really are a good quality tire that can last for a decent time.
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You can always hang tight a few months and wait for the PS4S, the successor to the PSS. It's going to be a better tire in every category it appears.
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You can always hang tight a few months and wait for the PS4S, the successor to the PSS. It's going to be a better tire in every category it appears.
My tires are at the limiters now, not sure if it's worth it to wait....with the release of the ps4s, PSS will probably drop in price.
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For next spring, I change from MPSS with square setup (265/30R19) back to the series (9x19 & 10x19) with Conti SportContact 6.
The MPSS is a tyre that has long enough been on top, now is the time to try the new king

Why?
I could not find any advantage when driving with 265/30R19 in the front
On the roads I drive, the car was very susceptible to spurring. Not to mention on some Autobahnen in Germany
The same for aquaplaning


In the meantime I switched to the standard sizes and drove a week with them.
The car reacted much calmer and an understeering I could not feel anyway

IMHO there is no need to drive bigger and fatter dimensions then 245 & 265 on public roads
Here in Germany we can`t drive whatever we want as dimensions on our rims We have strict laws by the TÜV
For safety sometimes it is good, for customizing sometimes it is bad

Now we got snow in Germany and I run the M220 with Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4s Great tires in the snow and driving is still great.

With winter discount, I paid about 700 € for the Conti SC6
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For next spring, I change from MPSS with square setup (265/30R19) back to the series (9x19 & 10x19) with Conti SportContact 6.
The MPSS is a tyre that has long enough been on top, now is the time to try the new king

Why?
I could not find any advantage when driving with 265/30R19 in the front
On the roads I drive, the car was very susceptible to spurring. Not to mention on some Autobahnen in Germany
The same for aquaplaning


In the meantime I switched to the standard sizes and drove a week with them.
The car reacted much calmer and an understeering I could not feel anyway

IMHO there is no need to drive bigger and fatter dimensions then 245 & 265 on public roads
Here in Germany we can`t drive whatever we want as dimensions on our rims We have strict laws by the TÜV
For safety sometimes it is good, for customizing sometimes it is bad

Now we got snow in Germany and I run the M220 with Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4s Great tires in the snow and driving is still great.

With winter discount, I paid about 700 € for the Conti SC6
Just got 255/275 ad08r's installed,
Thanks for the info though
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