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      07-10-2016, 12:01 AM   #1
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From 335is to M3

Traded in my 335is today for a 2013 M3 CPO w/ 16,400 miles. The car is AW/Blk with competition package, DCT, premium, cold weather, nav, etc. See my garage for pic. Paid $49k, which is probably high but I have zero regrets given condition of 1 owner car, CPO, comp package, and low mileage.

Went with DCT because I have a 981 BS w/ stick. Enjoy switching back & forth.

Comparison:
*Turn in is sharper
*Corners much flatter
*Improved compliance - even in stiffest suspension setting. This surprised me. Suspension is clearly superior and easily able to daily drive.
*Steering effort is lighter in both comfort mode and sport modes.
*Steering sensitivity is similar
*Suspension does a better job of staying on track though road imperfections.
*Engine notes are different, but like both.
*Was worried about M3 torque but am satisfied after driving it.
*Both cars have DCT. Set M3 DCT to 4 or 5 bars which results in quick, but not harsh, shifts.
*Power delivery is obviously different. Not enough time with M3 to say anything other than I'm not disappointed. 335is torque was one of the best things about that car.
*Better brakes. I was never fully satisfied with 335is brakes.
*Love carbon fiber roof
*Better seats/better leather
*More headroom due carbon fiber roof. However, seat position is too high (335is was too) I guess at least I don't have to parachute into it like my Porsche.
*Worse stereo. M3 does not have harmon kardon stereo.
*Undecided on looks. M3 is a sharp looking car - particularly with comp package wheels - but I also really liked the 335is with msport front-end and 313 wheels.

Summary - really enjoyed the ride home from the dealership


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      07-10-2016, 12:43 AM   #2
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Congrats!!! I'm on the second month of the honeymoon with mine. Post some pics when you can ;-)
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      07-10-2016, 03:38 AM   #3
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Welcome Scoale!
Low mileage mint ZCP, sounds like you've done good. Will be interesting to see how you think it compare with the 335is after you have driven it for a while.

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      07-10-2016, 09:52 AM   #4
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Very cool! Congrats
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      07-10-2016, 11:36 AM   #5
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I went from a e92 335(about 4 years ago) to an m3(now on my third) and there really is no comparison. The m cars are just so much nicer. Congrats!
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      07-10-2016, 05:46 PM   #6
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Ok, got in some additional seat time today on local roads I'm familiar with. Reinforced for me that the M3 suspension is substantially superior to the 335is. Turn in is sharper, corners flatter, AND is more compliant even in stiffest EDC setting.

Not one....single....bit...disappointed with power. Power delivery is different than IS, but it's definitely there.

As is the exhaust note. Just me, but I do not feel the need for after-market exhaust (unless motivated by weight savings).

Definitely daily driveable - but no one is going to mistake it for a regular 3-series in terms of how it delivers power, sounds, etc.

I was worried that the upgrade wouldn't justify the incremental cost versus IS but, two days in, I'm
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      07-10-2016, 06:23 PM   #7
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I don't know...They say the 335is has a better front end with the M Sport, better wheels...did I mention better Harmon Kardon stereo too?
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      07-10-2016, 06:40 PM   #8
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The flat torque delivery gets more and more addictive the more you drive it.

Congrats on the new car
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Ok, got in some additional seat time today on local roads I'm familiar with. Reinforced for me that the M3 suspension is substantially superior to the 335is. Turn in is sharper, corners flatter, AND is more compliant even in stiffest EDC setting.

Not one....single....bit...disappointed with power. Power delivery is different than IS, but it's definitely there.

As is the exhaust note. Just me, but I do not feel the need for after-market exhaust (unless motivated by weight savings).

Definitely daily driveable - but no one is going to mistake it for a regular 3-series in terms of how it delivers power, sounds, etc.

I was worried that the upgrade wouldn't justify the incremental cost versus IS but, two days in, I'm
Sounds like you're getting along with your new baby mate, nice. Surprised you say the exhaust note is fine, one of the few areas I personally (+ a bunch with me!) felt needed improvements. Easy enough with such a great base sound, all you need is to let a bit more out...
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      07-11-2016, 08:38 AM   #10
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Sounds like you're getting along with your new baby mate, nice. Surprised you say the exhaust note is fine, one of the few areas I personally (+ a bunch with me!) felt needed improvements. Easy enough with such a great base sound, all you need is to let a bit more out...
Agree the exhaust note is muted, but it sounds great to me once you get into the 6k to 8k range. Just keeps motivating me to chase its upper register! On the other hand, not excessive when I'm just tooling around town.
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      07-11-2016, 09:10 AM   #11
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Agree the exhaust note is muted, but it sounds great to me once you get into the 6k to 8k range. Just keeps motivating me to chase its upper register! On the other hand, not excessive when I'm just tooling around town.
Check out the so called OEM exhaust mod mate, gives that tad more volume from start with a proper scream once up in rev. Low cost too.
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*Worse stereo. M3 does not have harmon kardon stereo.

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congrats on the new car. I am running the MBquart setup and love it.
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Congrats on the new car!

I was originally shopping for a 335is but later decided to pay a bit extra and get the M3 instead.

Enjoy in good health!
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      07-11-2016, 12:28 PM   #15
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I dont think $49k was bad at all for a fully loaded CPO 2013 low mileage 1 owner. Actually think its pretty good considering what I paid for my fully loaded 2011 w/ more than 1 owner and average mileage. When I was shopping for my M3 I found a few local CPO 2013s in the high 50k range Congrats!
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      07-11-2016, 01:46 PM   #16
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Congrats on the new car!

I was originally shopping for a 335is but later decided to pay a bit extra and get the M3 instead.

Enjoy in good health!
You got it right the first time

The 335is is no slouch but, for me, the M is worth the extra $$
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Check out the so called OEM exhaust mod mate, gives that tad more volume from start with a proper scream once up in rev. Low cost too.
Will do. Thanks for the tip
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You got it right the first time

The 335is is no slouch but, for me, the M is worth the extra $$
Haha for sure! Really wanted the 335is for the available mods and such to the turbo etc. but figured I'd spend the same amount modding that I would getting an M3 instead.
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My story is very similar to OPs, in April, 2016, I sold my 2012 335is (space gray/black, DCT, 38K miles, DPs) and purchased a 2013 e92 M3 (jet black/fox red, DCT, 17K miles, Comp Package, CF roof, M perf Exhaust, tint, clear bra, etc.).

Although, I absolutely loved my 335is (especially when I had the Sparta BBK and BBS LM-Rs on it), the usable low end torque and the exhaust note were both sublime. However, I like my M3 even more. I like every single thing better about the M3 (except 1...see below) including, the overall look with the hood and gills, the color, the exhaust note with the M performance exhaust, the seats, the interior, the shifter, the gear box, the suspension, the linear power with no turbo lag, the handling, the steering, the enhanced premium sound over the HK sound, the overall feel, the LSD, the wider front tires, the brakes and certainly the ZCP wheels are better than the 313's (although neither are close to the BBS LM-R's...which IMHO, is the best mod for these cars) .

The only thing I liked better about the IS was the loads of useable low end torque available at the ready during daily driving. The N54 really pulled hard early and often and has won the the international engine of the year from 2007 - 2012 in the 2.5 - 3.0 litre category. The S65 engine doesn't really start to pull hard until the 4K to 5K rpm range, which if you're in anything above 3rd gear your doing 80 - 90 MPH. So it's quite a different power band/driving experience. Certainly not worse, just different. The S65 Engine also won engine of the year from 2008 - 2012 in the larger 3.0 - 4.0 litre category. I do realize that the M is really geared to tracking and since I don't track it, I will never really get to experience all the true performance characteristics of the M and what an awesome engine the S65 is. But, even though I don't track it, I can still get a sense of it's capabilities and it still is a really awesome daily driver. I love making the engine work for it, if you know what I mean? It provides such terrific linier feedback. And...the really good news is that my car only has 20K miles on it, so I will get to experience its awesomeness for many years to come.

To quote, Kevin Spacey in American Beauty...it's the car I always wanted, now I own it, I rule.



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You must have had the upgraded stereo in the 335is

Because I bought mine off the lot and it had the base level "muffled noise through a paper cup" stereo that was a complete embarassment and ripoff. That POS stereo still makes me mad. I have the Enhanced Premium Sound in my M3 and I love it. Maybe yours' is the base system?
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Haha for sure! Really wanted the 335is for the available mods and such to the turbo etc. but figured I'd spend the same amount modding that I would getting an M3 instead.
Agree. By the time you do FBO tune and suspension to handle extra power(coilovers, lsd, control arms, RSB, more rubber, fender roll to accommodate more rubber, etc.) and you still don't have seats, carbon fiber hood, etc. and you still don't have an M
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Smile 2012 335is or 2011 M3? .....Confused

Hi all,
I used to have a 2011 E90 M3 6MT with ZCP for 3 yrs which I sold last year since my work commute switched to mostly highway driving.
Now I am planning to get a 2012 335is but am confused since I could get a good condition 2011 M3 for similar money. I still miss my M3 but also recall that its fun when driven aggressively which does not happen on daily driving. Living in Midwest, I could maybe track it 3 or 4 times a year at most. I feel the 335is would be more fun on a daily basis.
Not sure which one do I go for. Anyone including OP who has experience with both cars, please advise. Thanks in advance
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