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Why democrats must go - Michael Berry

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Most Americans know in their hearts that things are all wrong in America. They know we need a drastic change, and fast. They are reminded daily that this President and his band of Democrats are out of touch. They are fearful that their neighbors will forget all that has happened, and fail to be inspired to vote. I wanted to put together something that could be viewed in one sitting and would either inform you, or remind you, of what the Democrats have done to America over the last 2 years. Here goes:

A $787 “stimulus” bill, paid for with a load of new Chinese debt. We were told we could spend our way to success, that this would jumpstart our economy. How does government spending on things like studying the effects of cocaine use on monkeys help our economy and generate more jobs? Are we trying to help corner crack dealers expand their markets? Bad as they are, at least those pork barrel earmarks are in the US. There is significant money earmarked for Siberians to organize as community activists and lobby Russian bureaucrats on environmental issues, and grants to study the effects of local populations on the environment . . . in the Asian Himalayas! How will these stimulate the American economy? Obama promised an end to earmarks and then he spent almost a trillion dollars on them, more than any administration in history!

The media called it a stimulus bill, but it was technically called the “American Recovery & Reinvestment Act of 2009”. How has that recovery gone? Over a year after the handouts to the friends and backers of Democrats, In June of THIS year the White House announced we were entering the “summer of recovery”. That summer has seen unemployment increase, home prices fall, Americans raid their 401(k)s to pay their bills, and confidence drop. The only “growth” this drunken sailor spending stimulated was in our national debt. As Ronald Reagan famously said, “to say these guys are spending like drunken sailors is an insult to drunken sailors. At least drunken sailors are spending their OWN money.”

The only “growth” that was “stimulated” by this massive pork project was in our national debt, which increased 23% to 13 TRILLION.

There were more stimulus programs, more handouts. It became so common we lost track of most of it. We’d never seen anything like it before.

Since everyone knew these silly redistributions didn’t “stimulate” our economy, Democrats referred to it as a “jobs” bill. Since they couldn’t claim any NEW jobs were created, the Obama administration invented a new term, “jobs saved.” Don’t worry about the fact that not a single economist had ever heard of a job saved and there exists no quantifiable way to calculate a “job saved”, no worries, the Obama administration just invents new words and new definitions to further their ugly agenda. They claimed that 3 million people owed their jobs to Obama, even though those jobs existed when Obama was still organizing with ACORN on the south side of Chicago. Thank you, benevolent dictator, for allowing me to keep my job. All praise is due to you.

The from bailouts and handouts never stopped, as Obama got has hands on new treasure troves like the $700 billion for TARP, which went to places like Maxine Waters’ husband’s bank, to cash for clunkers, to teachers unions at local schools in states that spent too much on welfare and not enough on education. This was a redistribution from low government service states to welfare states, from red states to blue states, from Republican states to those who supported Obama. AND another favor to his union supporters, all the while, proudly proclaiming this is all just for the children.

Saul Alinsky would be so proud.

As I write this, Obama is asking for another $50 billion for road building. Is our economy in the tank because we don’t have pretty roads?

Obamacare: Dubbed as “health care for all”, it is the most massive redistribution of wealth in American history. [fill in some critiques here] Why are 16,000 new IRS tax collectors needed in a bill for health care? It imposes burdensome new requirements of paperwork, cost, and compliance. 60% of Americans want to repeal Obamacare.

What happened already in less than 2 years under Obama?

Private pay shrank while the ranks of government employees grew. Fast. More people than ever are working for the government, leaving fewer of us to pay their salaries. More people than ever are receiving government benefits, with fewer of us to pay for it. The private sector is losing jobs, but the public sector is growing in size and scope.

Webster’s defines socialism as an economic and political theory advocating collecting or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.

So let’s see, we have: More Americans working for or living off the government, government increasing its role in health care, taking over GM and the student loan industry, the President directing companies to fire their CEOs, and deciding when profits can be made [audio] . But don’t call it socialism, because that would make you a racist.

What else have we seen in the first 20 months of Obamanation:

Housing prices have plummeted, making it hard to get equity out of a home, or to move to another city to find a job.

Obama’s dangerous greeny weenie agenda threatens to destroy industries, killing jobs and hurting our economy. Cap & trade passed the House but couldn’t get past the Senate when Democrats saw they would lose even more seats, but it is coiled and ready to strike if Democrats hold a majority in November. The sky is falling and the earth is burning, and Al Gore said so. He would know. [audio]

Obama’s leftist supporters want us out of our car, and they want to prevent American companies from drilling. Never one to let a crisis go to waste, BP’s industrial accident became BO’s justification for destroying the Gulf Coast oil industry. Obama’s moratorium on offshore drilling was instituted with no relation to safety or the environment, and therefore was shot down by 2 different courts. It is not based in science, but in politics, and it is a key part of his political agenda. The effect of this bone he is throwing to the green left is costing jobs, hurting the Gulf Coast economy, harming investors, hurting our ability to provide for our own energy, and making us more reliant on nations that finance and harbor terrorism against us. Nobody in America gains from the moratorium, but Obama’s dear friend George Soros stands to get rich by it.

Illegal immigration is terrorizing many states. Kidnappings, cop killings, shootouts, and violence in states like Texas and Arizona are out of control. When Arizona took action because the feds wouldn’t, our tax dollars were spent to sue that state. Obama and his cronies criticized the bill for weeks before having to admit they hadn’t read it [audio] . Mexico has seen almost 30,000 people killed in just a few years, many of them cops, judges and elected officials, in broad daylight, as a drug war is building. The foot soldiers and field generals are setting up shop in America, with a wide open border, and violence here is on the rise. Parts of our country can’t be protected and signs warn us against foreign dangers, yet Obama and the Democrats refuse to allow Arizona to deal with it responsibly.

Americans were frustrated with this radical agenda and rushed process of profligate spending, so they formed into grassroots groups. One of them was the Tea Party, which brought out thousands of Americans to protest. The Tea Party was the lead story on every news broadcast for over a month leading up to their first major gathering on May 15, 2009, and President Obama said he was “unaware of the Tea Parties” Instead, he trotted off to Egypt to vow to defend Islam against anyone who might criticize it.

Then the Tea Party was dismissed as “astroturfers”, not grassroots, who were paid by companies, because they dressed too nice to be real protesters.

When they couldn’t be ignored or dismissed, the strategy turned to fear. Surely this Tea Party would erupt into violence. The media repeatedly claimed that we were on the verge of violence because Americans were upset and joining Tea Parties. In fact, we did see violence and intimidation: from the left, from Black Panthers menacingly stalking voting locations (which Obama refused to prosecute) to eco-terrorists threatening the very earth they claim to defend. With the Tea Parties obviously too big to ignore, clearly authentic, and not prone to violence, there was but one ace card. From the NAACP to the White House, to their friends in the media, the drumbeat was consistent: the Tea Party is racist. Ah yes, racism. Works every time. Except this time it didn’t.

There are so many other troubling aspects of the Obama presidency, but so little time to cover them all. We were sold the “post racial” president, but we got the “most racial” president. Identity politics have reached a crescendo. Racism is now the standard speaking point for any Democrat, since they are unwilling and unable to discuss public policy on the merits of their points.

Then there is Obama’s insensitivity for the victims of 9/11 and his support for the mosque builders near the site. The new NASA administrator said that he was told by Obama that his job was, quote, “perhaps foremost, Obama wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world, and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science, math and engineering.” [audio]

I wish I had time to discuss the Sestak potential bribery case, the lavish vacations, the constant golf, the real reasons he’s not allowed to give up the teleprompter [audio] , the more than 30 Czars he has appointed to avoid his own Senate’s approval and our public investigation – people like Van Jones, an admitted communist, who was appointed the Czar of Green Jobs but had to resign when people found out that he was Bill Ayers without the bombs. Or Mark Lloyd, the FCC Diversity Czar, who has professed his admiration for Hugo Chavez and his “incredible democratic revolution”. Not just his czars, but his cabinet are frightening, like Anita Dunn, his communications director [audio].

I wish I had time for the transparency and ethics lies, like promising C-SPAN hearings on health care and to post every bill on a website 5 days before signing it. He lied. Obama loves to increase our taxes, but his own cabinet doesn’t pay theirs, including his treasury secretary, of all people, who hadn’t paid his taxes for several years. You’re known by the company you keep, and Obama’s most frequent visitor to the White House is Andy Stern, of the thuggish SEIU, the very organization that pinned the 15 year old child of a mid-level corporate executive in his home with thousands of protesters while the kid's parents weren’t even home. [audio] That’s Andy Stern, the head of the SEIU, who quotes Karl Marx [audio] and sounds like Obama back when he was caught on camera talking to the Joe the Plumber [audio].

President Obama has already enacted parts of his radical agenda on America. He couldn’t have done that without a large majority in the House and the Senate. He can’t continue to trod on our freedoms if Democrats lose the House and Senate. So, let’s focus on what is at stake between now and November 2nd.

If your congressman or Senator or Governor is a Democrat, they have to go. Here is why: Remember, you can’t vote out Barack Obama during this election. But you can STOP HIM by voting out YOUR congressman or Senator if they are a Democrat. No matter how much you like your individual congressman, or if you met them at a ribbon cutting and they smiled at you, or how long they’ve served, consider these important facts:

Congress is made up of the House and the Senate. Appointments, appropriations, bills, and much more go through them. They have incredible power. Let’s take them one by one.

The House

Currently there are 255 Dems in the House, with 178 Republicans and 2 vacancies.

Republicans need to add 40 seats to win a majority of the House. The House is dominated by the Speaker, and the Speaker is elected by a majority of the House. The Speaker is the most powerful person in America who is NOT elected by the public. The Speaker is incredibly powerful. If Republicans win the House, Nancy Pelosi loses her job, Democrats would lose the chairmanship of committees, and they would lose their ability to pass bills like Obamacare and Cap & Trade.

Nancy Pelosi would go back to being just another of 435 congressmen, with no influence or power. Currently she is VERY powerful as speaker of the house, but she would lose it all. Nancy Pelosi was elected Speaker of the House on Jan 3, 2007. During the last 2 years of Bush’s presidency, DEMOCRATS controlled the House, not Republicans. Democrats also controlled the Senate. Nothing could get done unless the Democrats approved it, since January 2007.

Imagine this for a moment, 36 years ago the president of the US resigned, shortly after the VP had done the same. If Biden and Obama were unable to finish their terms for any reason, Nancy Pelosi would be our president.

Nancy Pelosi has NO experience in the private sector. Not one day. Just like Harry Reid, Joe Biden and Barack Obama, and the secretary of the treasury, Timothy Geithner.

When questioned about Obamacare’s 2,000 pages of new rules and taxes on our lives, she responded [audio]

During the stimulus debate, she warned a nation of just over 300 million people that “every month that we do not have an economic recovery package 500 million Americans lose their jobs.” [audio]

When the families of victims of the 9/11 attacks were concerned about a mosque which will be built near the site and had questions, many Americans were sympathetic to them. Who was behind this? Who was the Imam leading it? Where would the money come from? There were some valid questions to be asked. Nancy Pelosi, instead, said the government must investigate those who were asking these questions.

As a mere congressman, Nancy Pelosi wouldn’t have the bully pulpit to tell Catholic leaders to preach in favor of amnesty for illegals. But with Democrats in the majority in Congress, and them voting for her as Speaker, she did, and she used it. [audio] As speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi demanded the Air Force provide a new, bigger, more expensive plane at taxpayer expense to travel around the country campaigning for Democrats. She got it. You paid for it. A CBS poll in March 2010 showed 11% of Americans view Pelosi favorably. But 219 Democrats support her. That’s how many she coerced into voting for Obamacare.

Did anyone who voted for Obamacare actually read the bill, massive document that starting in January will rule our lives? Here is John Conyers, a congressman for the last 45 years, and the chairman of a major committee, answering whether he read the health care bill [audio]. Obamacare was a massive change to our healthcare, which is important to every American. The day it passed, nobody even knew what was in it, so nobody knew whether to support it or oppose it. [audio]

Health rationing, death panels, new costs, reduced services: all administered by an “Independent Payment Advisory Board” that will act like the Cuban government in making our healthcare decisions for us. Cuban rationed healthcare. Ask any Cuban refugee what that was like. Then listen to Democratic Congressman Diane [audio] . Americans didn’t want it, and polls showed as much. We had questions and concerns. Congress wanted to pretend to listen to us, and reassure us. So town hall meetings were held as a PR move to show that Congress was listening to a restless public concerned over the bill. But Democrats didn’t want to listen to us, they wanted to be treated like royalty and not questioned. We were small minded to question their wisdom. Senator Arlen Specter yelled at his constituents that they shouldn’t ask questions and should be happy he showed up to their little [audio] Congress didn’t care that nobody read it and we were opposed. We said they couldn’t pass a bill nobody read or understood, and that the public opposed, but as they passed the bill, they chanted “yes we can” [audio].

It wasn’t about improved medical care for Americans. It was a redistribution of wealth, the doling of political favors for votes. Former top Democrat Howard Dean[audio] . Nancy Pelosi even claimed that Obamacare would create jobs [audio]

If enough Americans vote our their Democratic congressman, Nancy Pelosi will no longer be the speaker. The Speaker appoints committee chairmen, so the following Democrats would lose their power:

Henry Waxman, chair of Energy & Commerce, where he’s pushed for cap&trade and tried to convince everyone that global warming is happening, despite the scientific evidence to the contrary.

Barney Frank, chair of financial services. This one is just laughable. Barney Frank hired a male prostitute to perform sex for him, then puts him in his congressional office so we can pay him, then the male escort opens an illegal escort sex service out of Frank’s apartment, and Barney Frank claims he didn’t know? And HE is in charge of financial services? No wonder we got screwed in the housing meltdown. [audio]

John Conyers, chair of house judiciary committee, the man who bragged that he didn’t read the health care bill because it had too many pages. His ethics violations include admitting during an investigation that he broke ethics rules when he used taxpayer funded staffers as personal chauffeurs and to babysit his children.

Charlie Rangel, chair of ways and means. Charged with various ethics violations over a long period, he refuses to step down. The audacity of hope, I suppose[audio] . Even members without chairmanships have more influence when their party is in power, like ethics violations suspects Eddie Bernice Johnson and Maxine Waters[audio].

The President of Mexico insulted the state of Arizona, standing on the floor of the US House, on American soil. These Democrats, and the others, stood and cheered him. We’ve never seen anything like it in American history.

If Republicans take a majority in the house, the Obama assaults on our freedoms and our pocketbooks will be stopped.

When Republicans won the House in 94, Bill Clinton was blocked for the next 6 months from enacting his agenda. He was left to spend his time . . . well, you know what he was left to spend his time doing, because he was impeached for it. [audio]

Let’s move to the Senate.

There are 58 Dems in the Senate, plus 2 Independents who caucus with Dems and vote with them. So they effectively have 60 votes, exactly enough to keep the 40 Republicans from slowing them down on troubling bills or appointments.

Republicans need 10 seats to take the Senate. If that happens, Harry Reid would lose his position as majority leader. Bailouts and “stimulus” packages that redistribute to Democratic causes and rack up massive debts would be blocked.

Democrats would lose their chairmanships of powerful committees, so those Senators would lose a lot of their power. That includes:

John Kerry as chair the Senate Foreign Relations committee. He could focus on where to relocate his tax cheating yacht during hurricanes. The man in charge of foreign relations belittles our troops as idiots who didn’t pay attention in school [audio]

Barbara Boxer , head of Environment & Public Works, where she’s promising more global warming hearings and other ways to hurt industry. The imperious Boxer is famous for demanding to be treated like a queen. She belittled an Army brigadier general, who is trained to call Senators “sir” and “madam” with this: [audio]

Dianne Feinstein as chair of Select Committee on Intelligence, who claimed she would be “embarrassed” to wear a US flag pin on her lapel, and who wants to silence conservative talk radio through the Fairness Doctrine [audio].

Chris Dodd is retiring, so he’ll no longer chair the Banking, Housing & Urban Affairs Committee, but his replacement would be poised to do the same thing. Dodd oversaw banking, and got special unethical low-rate financing on 2 different mortgages. Dodd co-owned properties with people who used it to funnel money to him, like a supporter who was convicted of insider trading. It was Democrat Dodd who inserted the audacious AIG bonuses into a bill, which the taxpayers were forced to first bail out then shelled out millions money for bonuses of the execs of the failing company.

The Majority Leader, Harry Reid:

He’s been in public office since 1964. Years in the private sector? 0. Over 40 years in government.

He can’t ever be laid off, he serves in the government [audio].

Harry Reid, the leader of the Senate, equated opposition to Obamacare with being a slaveowner, and said Hispanics should never be Republicans, and urged the Senate to extend unemployment for 2 years, on the basis that men become abusive to their women if they don’t have a job. These guys have to go. Without a majority in the Senate, they can’t cram their radical agenda down our throats, and they can’t enact and enable Obama’s dangerous vision.

A Republican majority in the Senate would also dramatically affect the 3rd chamber of government, which serves for life:

The Supreme Court

No more Sonia Sotomayors and Elena Kagans if there is a majority of Republicans in the Senate. Sotomayor, you’ll remember, believed that wise women Hispanics were more qualified to judge than White men, and her rulings have been repeatedly overtuned by the court on which she now serves. Elena Kagan is arguably the least qualified justice to serve in the last 50 years, with no judicial experience, and having hidden everything about her that would prove how truly liberal she is.

If Democrats lose control of the Senate, no more supreme court justices will be ratified and take the bench with a desire to attack our freedoms, redistribute our income, and regulate our lives.

Federal judges serve for life, and they have incredible authority. A Clinton appointee in 2000 decided in 2010 that many provisions of the Arizona law dealing with illegal immigration must be struck before it even went into effect, invalidating the Arizona Senate and Governor, elected by the majority of that state’s citizens. That one judge, appointed 2 presidents ago, defeated the will of the people of that entire state.

In the next few years, the Supreme Court will likely hear cases on abortion, gay marriage, gun control, expressing our faith, tax policy, and more. Supreme Court justices serve for life, which can be 30 or more years. Obama can appoint more bad justices, but a Republican Senate can defeat them. Save our courts, protect our freedoms, consider our future. If your Senator is a Democrat, vote him out!

Voter turnout:

in 2008, 68% of Americans turned out to vote. This year it is expected to be about 40%. That means that with just 21% of voters, a Congressman or Senator can win. It’s winner take all, so that person serves a full term, and gets to count toward a majority in the House or Senate for their party.

A majority of Americans disapprove of Obama and the Democrats, but all that matters is who shows up and votes.

Have you been frustrated, angry or shocked for the past 2 years? Don’t wait, the time to ACT is now. In most states you must register to vote within the next few weeks, and you can vote early before November 2nd.

Don’t wait. Register, and get others who will vote out the Democrats to register. Now. Vote early, and get others to do the same.

Don’t be fooled by petty issues, claims of Democrats being “independent”, distractions, or other clever ways Democrats will try to cling to their power. They may run from Pelosi, Reid & Obama now, even criticizing them, and pretend they are “one of us”, but they supported those three, and they enabled them to cram their agenda down our throats. We’ll be paying off the debts of the past 20 months for the next 20 years.

Vote them out. Restore our country. We’re the greatest nation on earth. Let’s act like it. Don’t just get mad, get involved, and take back your country.

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As I write this, Obama is asking for another $50 billion for road building. Is our economy in the tank because we don’t have pretty roads?
Has this guy seen our infrastructure report card? I agree we need to reduce spending( our defense budget is an easy place to reduce spending......), but infrastructure spending is important( it ranks up there and right now be the best allocation of our money instead of it going to the $660 billion defense budget). We are constantly reminded of our poor infrastructure( the levees in New Orleans and the Minnesota bridge collapse, etc), and yet politicians don't want to do anything about it. The Republicans label infrastructure spending as "pet projects".



http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/

Overall, it is an one sided article. I am sorry, but all of government is to blame for our situation. Not just the Democrats, but the Republicans too. I say everyone needs to go. Kick every single congressmen out of Congress, put a 2 term limit on them, and hold an election with new candidates. No more career politicians.

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Overall, it is an one sided article. I am sorry, but all of government is to blame for our situation. Not just the Democrats, but the Republicans too. I say everyone needs to go. Kick every single congressmen out of Congress, put a 2 term limit on them, and hold an election with new candidates. No more career politicians.
The reason it is one sided is because the democrats are in total "control"(actually out of control) right now and they are just bending this country over and giving it to us. I don't think republicans are the answer, I think true conservatives are... I agree with the bolded though.
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The reason it is one sided is because the democrats are in total "control"(actually out of control) right now and they are just bending this country over and giving it to us. I don't think republicans are the answer, I think true conservatives are... I agree with the bolded though.
The reason it is one sided because Michael Berry is playing politics. Him bringing up Clinton and the Republican takeover back in 1994 is proof of that. I get the impression from reading that bit is he thinks Democrat ideas are all bad and Republican ideas are the answer to all of our problems. He is like Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, Olbermann, etc. He is just going down party lines.

While the Democrats have screwed up big time, I am in no position to trust the Republican candidates either. That is why I am not voting because no candidate right now represents me to the best extent.

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They're still attempting to clean up your original mess, soooo....not particularly
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They're still attempting to clean up your original mess, soooo....not particularly
Certain things that people say will always make them look side-stepping and ignorant, and this is definitely one of them.

Although I'd never claim that Bush was perfect by any means.
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oh the joys of politics. selfish lying bastards...
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The reason it is one sided because Michael Berry is playing politics. If his issue was with just what todays congress is doing, then why did he bring up Clinton and the Republicans gaining control back in 1994( oh and BTW, Clinton was impeached for lying about getting a BJ, not getting the BJ itself)? The issue is he is like Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, Olbermann, etc. He is just going down party lines.
There in lies the majority of the problems with our political system. Each side thinks it is 100% correct and they spend all of their time just trying to woo the folks in the middle to believe their way is correct. The constant bashing has got to go. Bush shouldn't be blamed for 9/11, but he did start a war of choice in Iraq. Obama shouldn't be blamed for the recession/near depression but he did choose to reform healthcare rather than focus on unemployment.

Running the USA is an impossible job and everyone that has tried it has failed at some portion of it. That includes Presidents and Congress.

Completely agree that term limits are necessary and that career politicians, regardless of party, are bad for America. They all lie, cheat and steal so limiting their time in office is the only way to limit the damage they can cause.

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lol..always amusing to bait the "believers"
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lol..always amusing to bait the "believers"
Serious question here.

What would you have had the Obama administration do differently over the past 20 months? In thinking back to all past changes in administration I can think of none that has been as problematic. Not passing blame because not everything that blew up towards the end of Bush's term was his fault, but among the things that crossed over were the following:

1) War in Iraq
2) War in Afghanistan
3) Financial crisis (FNM, FRE, AIG, Lehman, etc.)
4) Housing crisis
5) TARP
6) GM bailout
7) Rising unemployment
8) Rising deficit
9) Recession

Now an argument could be made that TARP and the financial crisis be combined and I'm fine with that, and clearly the recession is related to several of these things. Which fire do you put out first and how can you possibly hope to fix things in such a short period of time? It's simply an impossible task.

No one person is responsible for everything that has transpired. Everyone's fingerprints are on this and it will unfortunately take a long time to fix.
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Serious question here.

What would you have had the Obama administration do differently over the past 20 months? In thinking back to all past changes in administration I can think of none that has been as problematic. Not passing blame because not everything that blew up towards the end of Bush's term was his fault, but among the things that crossed over were the following:

1) War in Iraq
2) War in Afghanistan
3) Financial crisis (FNM, FRE, AIG, Lehman, etc.)
4) Housing crisis
5) TARP
6) GM bailout
7) Rising unemployment
8) Rising deficit
9) Recession

Now an argument could be made that TARP and the financial crisis be combined and I'm fine with that, and clearly the recession is related to several of these things. Which fire do you put out first and how can you possibly hope to fix things in such a short period of time? It's simply an impossible task.
And I think your list is exactly where Obama made a major mistake. His one big "accomplishment" so far has been ObamaCare, which didn't even make your list of 9 critical tasks! And even that "accomplishment" is a dubious one, since many were not in favor of it (such as myself.) But with all those critical issues, how much time, money and effort was spent on health care that should have been directed to these other issues?
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Kick every single congressmen out of Congress, put a 2 term limit on them, and hold an election with new candidates. No more career politicians.
quagmire and I don't always see things the same way on politics, but we certainly have a common ground here! Although I might be willing to extend the term limit for Representatives to 4 terms (8 years total.)

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And I think your list is exactly where Obama made a major mistake. His one big "accomplishment" so far has been ObamaCare, which didn't even make your list of 9 critical tasks! And even that "accomplishment" is a dubious one, since many were not in favor of it (such as myself.) But with all those critical issues, how much time, money and effort was spent on health care that should have been directed to these other issues?
I don't have the answers but i do appreciate your willingness to engage in conversation. Perhaps he was trying to accomplish the one thing that it was possible for him to do in a reasonable time frame? The items on my list have no short term fixes. And by no means do i think healthcare is fixed, but I think it is a step in the process.

Be back later to continue discussion....
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There in lies the majority of the problems with our political system. Each side thinks it is 100% correct and they spend all of their time just trying to woo the folks in the middle to believe their way is correct. The constant bashing has got to go. Bush shouldn't be blamed for 9/11, but he did start a war of choice in Iraq. Obama shouldn't be blamed for the recession/near depression but he did choose to reform healthcare rather than focus on unemployment.

Running the USA is an impossible job and everyone that has tried it has failed at some portion of it. That includes Presidents and Congress.

Completely agree that term limits are necessary and that career politicians, regardless of party, are bad for America. They all lie, cheat and steal so limiting their time in office is the only way to limit the damage they can cause.

Yeah, I agree. Everyone thinks their viewpoint is correct. Where I can see both sides argument and want to govern in the middle of those two view points.

For example, I like the free market. Good companies prosper and bad companies get weeded out. But, that isn't the be all end all though. You need regulation or you get companies abusing the employees( why I like unions as a concept, but do agree they have become power greedy recently) or you as a country become uncompetitive( why I support the auto bailouts. Chances are letting GM and Chrysler go under would have dragged Ford down as well in this economy and I don't want to be reliant on Japan, Korea, and Germany for our cars). You also see the need for regulation with our economy right now. We are in the recession right now because Bush and other presidents deregulated the financial industry and removed most of the regulation put into place back in the Great Depression. I do realize the economy goes up and down in a cycle, but this down cycle did not need to be as bad as it is now if those regulations were not removed.

But, at the same time you can't over regulate and have a strict protectionist policy because it can hurt the economy much like it has for Japan. You need a balance between the free market and a protectionist policy.

I also agree with that we need to reduce spending. But, at the same time we can't just keep on cutting taxes. Yes, that is what the American people want( hell, I think most Americans would love not paying taxes at all), but that is our governments revenue. You can't have a $660 billion defense budget and at the same time cut taxes. In our current situation spending needs to be reduced and taxes do need to go up a bit. I can agree with extending the Bush taxcuts for people making $250,000 or less. But, the taxes of the people making more then $250,000/year do need to go back to Pre-Bush taxcut levels. As I mentioned before, while we do need to reduce our spending, our infrastructure is in dire need of attention. That is an area where spending needs to be increased to improve our roads, bridges, dams, aviation, etc. But, whenever Senators or Representatives try to get funding for those projects into a bill, they are always labelled as pet projects and how the other side is spending out of control.

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Haha, yeah. That was back when I was really into politics. I am sure we will still disagree, but I am not so adamant about it now.

It's funny. Before my standpoint now, I could never understand why people would not vote. I thought people need to be more involved in politics so they could be informed of what is going on with their country. While I still believe they need to stay informed( and not by watching news channels like Fox or MSNBC with their biased POS reporting), I can understand now why they don't vote. As they probably realize like I do, no matter who you vote for ( Democrat or Republican), we're going to be bent over and screwed. It is the matter of how we're going to be bent over and screwed.
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Yeah, I agree. Everyone thinks their viewpoint is correct. Where I can see both sides argument and want to govern in the middle of those two view points.
Well said sir.

The interesting thing that I am most curious about come election day is what impact the Tea Party will have on the GOP. My impression of the middle ground, or swing voters, is that they are scared to death of the Tea Party and its candidates. It is a given that Democrats will lose seats but fear of the Tea Party could result in muted loses. THAT would be interesting.

You are correct when you stated that something had to be done to bail out the economy. The financial system was completely shut down. I work in the investment field and Sept-Oct '08 were as close to a catastrophe as we've been since the 30's. TARP or something like it HAD to be done. Also, GM and Chrysler failing would have caused parts suppliers to fail and ultimately impacted Ford as well, causing a substantial increase in unemployment.

Basically we're on the long road to recovery and tax cuts ain't the answer. They weren't even the answer 10 yrs ago when enacted. Cheap monetary policy instituted by the Fed saved the economy then, but the same cheap money opened the door to the crushing end of the housing bubble.

Funniest thing now is that my man Tricky Dick Cheney is suddenly silent about his famous "deficits don't matter" quip. Deficits have always mattered and we're up shit creek if we don't get hem quickly under control.
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The article is unsophisticated, demagogue-rhetoric, that unfortunately stokes the fears of many who don't or can't think independently. In the current political environment, it's easy to stir the latent emotions and predilections of the so- inclined.
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